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nobody
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| 24 Jan 2010 2:41 PM |
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Posted By Stix on 24 Jan 2010 2:33 PM
Hahaa.Now that's a fact!
I just pulled a perfectly good set of Woods 9f's, R&R heads, 55mm t/body and replaced 'em with Andrews 60H, stock heads(Se race springs) and stock t/body.
Fuck me, it's chalk and cheese. Even though the bike would still be around the 90hp mark it's like riding a moped. REALLY!! look'n forward to the 120.LMAO.
Stix
A perfect example of what I was try to say.
That build obviously made heaps of power and suits your bike and the way you want to ride it.But it would be totally useless in a much heavier touring bike,that just wants to ride around useing the low to mid range that can be obtained with a different cam and engine /head work
Hahahahaha we would all love to have a 120
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skulznflames
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| 24 Jan 2010 3:13 PM |
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Posted By Krash Kinkade on 24 Jan 2010 2:39 PM
Posted By Scotty on 24 Jan 2010 10:55 AM
Posted By nobody on 24 Jan 2010 10:43 AM
Posted By Krash Kinkade on 24 Jan 2010 7:52 AM
Scotty is right, Bob Woods has not been around Harleys that long, he was a car man ( big difference) he seems to Copy Harvey Cranes idea's, but if you asked he would say he don't. if you open valves fast and close them fast it's good for torque, but hard on valve train. you can still ride them anywhere just you have to pull them down for maintainance more offten & put up with the noise. s&s make good cams with large displacement in mind, Andrews make good cams too, Mike Roland designed some good cams for a company that mostly made chrome goody's, they call them Wild Things. Mike has lots of experience with Harleys and for many years, both street and racing, he understands what you need when you say touring, like touring you could ride Perth to Sydney and Back a few times, with Woods you would ride perth to sydney & hopefully back then rebuild. most don't really understand what they want. i don't and probably never will . but it's still fun seeing what happens. a cam change is not magic, in most cases it just moves the power & TQ around, but does not always give you more power or TQ. hard to explain.
Sometimes pipes can make more difference than a cam change. sometimes the manifold or throtle body- carb could make more difference.
if you really want grunt at revs below 4,000 and grunt that you can feel instanly, you won't be tuning on a dyno @ rpm to see what HP TQ it makes @ what rpm, you will only worry about the tune & the combination that can make the most TQ HP the quickest, so you will ask the dyno operator to just do timmed runs and use the combination that can make the most HP TQ in less than five seconds wide open throtle, you won't worry at all how much total power & Torque it makes as that is not important as under 4,000 rev your not going to ever use it.
Like at a Drag Strip you might think you want the most HP possible and just tune for HP useing RPM but what you have not taken into account is RPM does not tell you how long it took to make the HP & TQ it just tells you at what rev, so if you have a 180HP big twin that makes 180HP @ 6,600rpm but it took 13 seconds wide open throtle to get to 6,600 rev, it won't help much at the drag strip.
a lot of performance manufacturers hate it when you ask for a timed dyno ghrap as that will show just how quick a motor spools up.
sorry for the long winded post, i just like to tell it as it is.
PS. if anyone used Lindwebber Cams back in shovelhead days they would know all about agressive ramps that need super strong heavy valve springs to keep the followers following the cam lobes & wear everything out fast
Krash
Actually if you look at Crane and S&S cams,you will see a lot of similarities.
What I mentioned was a cam designed to move a large heavy touring bike in the rev range that most touring bikes get ridden in.Now I actually have the Cams installed ,have ridden many miles on the bike with the cams installed,have found the engine to be no noisier than bike fitted with so called Quiet cams,and above all,it has been extremely reliable.
But then again,the Tw7H is not a HotRod cam,check the specs.It is made for a specific portion of the market,primarily the touring bike market.And I agree that you SHOULD tune to the parameters that the bike will mostly be used in.Which is what I have done,and also have a cam that works within that rev range.
Look at the specs of Leinweber Cams and they were MUCH MUCH more radical than anything you would think of putting in a touring type of bike,but they make great HP on the track,or in lighter bikes.
Horses for courses.
I deal in 1st hand facts and not in other peoples hearsay or inuendo.
nobody
The TW7H is just a high lift version of the TW6 nothing more nothing less...........
Scotty whats bob woods clame to fame mate? he is a five times funny car champ.
he only showed up with the Evo mate not a long time for Harleys.
i.ve always ridden what i drag race on the street and was never limited to were i could go with my bike, and all the Screaming Eagle racers in Sydney are the same.
one of the boys goes for rides out to Silverton & Broken Hill when theres a good dust storm on , then comes to the track runs 11's, same bike. none of us seem to have problems, i've ridden to willowbank QLD to race on the same bike i still race, ridden up raced & road home. Darren Sheppard that not long ago lost his life, Road from Sydney to Perth to race in Modified Bike at the Western Nationals two years back road home that bike runs high 10's.
you have said you get to the track yourself mate, so anytime you like i'll ride were you like and race you ride home, my bike is registered and i know what it can do with confidence.
cheers
Krash, curious to know your build, please.
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Krash Kinkade
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| 24 Jan 2010 10:04 PM |
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Posted By Scotty on 24 Jan 2010 5:56 PM
Posted By Krash Kinkade on 24 Jan 2010 2:39 PM
Scotty whats bob woods clame to fame mate? he is a five times funny car champ.
he only showed up with the Evo mate not a long time for Harleys.
Sorry Krash I fucked up I was thinking of Doug Coffey (Head Quarters) and he has been around since the late 60's
You are right Bob's only been into HD's since the mid 90's
My mistake and I am going to use age and alcohol as the excuse 
Scotty i agree about Doug Coffey, he is a harley man with many many years experience.
i'm not one of these old barstards that try to have a go at a person new to Harleys. you have to start somewhere.
In the end if nobody and others are useing Woods cams and enjoying the experience, well thats the main thing, i've used Boby woods products and liked them, but i have not used his Cams, this does not mean i would not use them. just i have used his CV carbs still have a modified Woods CV44 rebel, that was a very nice carb to use on the street beautiful & smooth throtle responce got great fuel economy, But i only saw a 2hp gain over a Stock SE CV44, but got the woods carb cheap from a mate. later i got some stock HD heads welded up, got a mate to machine me a new chamber and design me custom pistons made at JE, got him to fit large intake valve seat used an S&S intake Valve and Kibble White Exhast, then got Cow to port the heads and test the flow, i used an old s&s D carb i had since 1983 had a set of s&s 625's in probably over camed for a 95" i put the s&s D on Cow set up a G manifold made a 1" adaptor, 3,000 and up it flew, did 121mph trap speed but was hard to bracket race, a bike bracket racer would understand, so Cow said try the woods rebel, but it just fell on its face the carb could not flow the air, so saw my mate in USA he had a few CV51 kits he picked up on E Bay gave me one cheap, i love it but the bike made more TQ & Power with the D, then after over 80,000k the flywheels twisted i did not know just my times were getting slower got that bad i was dialing in 12's and they were all thinking i'm a sandbagger . so i said to cow put my old Andrews 55G's in, he said ok but don't come crying to me if it's slower when Cow pulled Cams out he saw the oil pump stuffed and he could not even turn the motor by hand. we got some very low k 03 flywheels he converted them to timkin to match my 01 cases, Cow also welded the pin on the new flywheels same as he used to do with his old male female rod common crank pin top fuel motor ( four spot welds very neat ) so i had a new motor we put new rings in used same pistons put in a new HD oil pump same as i have had from new. i run Jims lifters stock pushrods 55G cams, its got that much TQ i can just go off idle roll throtle and do a 1.8 60ft and set the shift light at 5,800 do easy 11.5 best speed with 55G in has been 119.98mph. all it needs is DaddyRacer on it , but so far all its had is ol Krash
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daddyracer56
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| 25 Jan 2010 10:34 PM |
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hi krash , cheers for the rest of the year, i just weighed myself i'am 64.7 kilo ive put some post mid age spread on esp over xmas holidays , when i was racing twin sport 883/350 AJS classic bikes 7 yrs ago i was only 54 kilo's , i will try to lose some fat some how at 54 yrs old iam getting a fat gut & arse that iam not use to carrying around, if you like 1 nite after feb when the weather starts to cool down a bit we can go to wsid & have some fun on your bike , in the mean time i will try not to eat as much, BURP |
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Krash Kinkade
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| 26 Jan 2010 6:57 AM |
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Hey DaddyRacer that would be great m8! it's more than just your weight your a great rider with years of experience up your sleave, you still fit into the same leathers ok . i got a small cheap trick that might give more mid range, but as always will see what the black dyno thinks. i'll see you down the track & work out best time for you to get down WSID wed night.
Cheers and thanks again m8, we need more like you!
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daddyracer56
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| 26 Jan 2010 3:35 PM |
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hi, krash i don't know about being a great rider i just like having fun on a bike no matter where its at , but most of the time i will try my best if there is not too much danger in it i get off on the thrill a good bike can give , i have a new race suit , ive never weighed this much in my life , catch you up, BURP |
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xr1000+ dusty the stumpy tailed halls heeler. |
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Lanoseal
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| 01 Feb 2010 11:30 AM |
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Thanks Guys fior your input, I seemed to have opewned Pandora's Box with the Cam issue. I have settled on the Andrews 37H Cams, SE adjutable push rods and ported heads as discuyssed. Money is drying up rapidly can I wait on the big bore kit and only fit the heads and cams? i know the is nothing more inportant than cubic inches but will the performance inprovement with out the 103 kit still be noticible?
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Dave FLHTCUI 2009, SEPST. SE Pipes.SE A/C 103 Kit, High Flow Heads with enlarged Valves, Andrew 37H Cams and assorted Bling
Your Here For a Good Time Not Long Time.
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Ando
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| 01 Feb 2010 11:55 AM |
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I reakon it will be good Will be interesting to see ya numbers off this build stay at the 96ci |
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biff61
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| 01 Feb 2010 7:57 PM |
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I'm waiting (im)patiently for my ride to come back. I'm getting the S&S 106and a 510g cam installed, should have it back this week, I'll let you know how it goes.
I've been assured that 'll be giggling like a schoolgirl.
MMM, schoolgirls, but that's another thread.... |
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2009 FLHTCU Flame Blue, Pewter Pearl S&S 106, 510g cam, Heavy Breather A/C V&H Monster Ovals & Power Duals, SEPST. That'll do for now.
- Patience is the ability to keep your motor idling.
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Steve
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| 01 Feb 2010 10:28 PM |
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Posted By biff61 on 01 Feb 2010 7:57 PM
I'm waiting (im)patiently for my ride to come back. I'm getting the S&S 106and a 510g cam installed, should have it back this week, I'll let you know how it goes.
I've been assured that 'll be giggling like a schoolgirl.
MMM, schoolgirls, but that's another thread....
Can i ask where and how much you got the s&s106 kit from/for?
Thanks
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skulznflames
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| 01 Feb 2010 11:08 PM |
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| Got mine for around $800 Australian landed to my door from M&M Cycles. |
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biff61
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| 01 Feb 2010 11:56 PM |
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Posted By Steve on 01 Feb 2010 10:28 PM
Posted By biff61 on 01 Feb 2010 7:57 PM
I'm waiting (im)patiently for my ride to come back. I'm getting the S&S 106and a 510g cam installed, should have it back this week, I'll let you know how it goes.
I've been assured that 'll be giggling like a schoolgirl.
MMM, schoolgirls, but that's another thread....
Can i ask where and how much you got the s&s106 kit from/for?
Thanks
Steve,
I got the guy building my bike to get all the gear for me, so thats the 106 kit, the 510 geardrive cam, adjustable pushrods and all the gaskets etc for about $2500 off the top of my head. I may have been able to
get it cheaper myself from other sources but he's looking after me with the build and he's got to earn a living too.
Cheers
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2009 FLHTCU Flame Blue, Pewter Pearl S&S 106, 510g cam, Heavy Breather A/C V&H Monster Ovals & Power Duals, SEPST. That'll do for now.
- Patience is the ability to keep your motor idling.
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skulznflames
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| 02 Feb 2010 12:18 AM |
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| Did you check that crank runout before deciding on gear driven cams ?. |
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biff61
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| 02 Feb 2010 12:17 PM |
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Yep, first thing I wanted sorted before we decided which way to go, I'm no mechanic, so the info on this forum has been invaluable, all good. |
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2009 FLHTCU Flame Blue, Pewter Pearl S&S 106, 510g cam, Heavy Breather A/C V&H Monster Ovals & Power Duals, SEPST. That'll do for now.
- Patience is the ability to keep your motor idling.
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berms
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| 02 Feb 2010 6:01 PM |
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Posted By biff61 on 01 Feb 2010 7:57 PM
I'm waiting (im)patiently for my ride to come back. I'm getting the S&S 106and a 510g cam installed, should have it back this week, I'll let you know how it goes.
I've been assured that 'll be giggling like a schoolgirl.
MMM, schoolgirls, but that's another thread....
Biff, you being in Kal, can I ask who you are trusting to do all the work on your motor? and what other parts did you have to upgrade (that didn't come with the kit) to accommodate the increased cubic inches and HP/TQ/compression?
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2010 FLSTN, S&S a/c, Bassani Road Rage, PC-V, Danny Gray seat, 12" apes (work in progress) and other bits and pieces.
I'll think of something funny to write here one day..... |
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biff61
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| 02 Feb 2010 9:28 PM |
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Posted By berms on 02 Feb 2010 6:01 PM
Posted By biff61 on 01 Feb 2010 7:57 PM
I'm waiting (im)patiently for my ride to come back. I'm getting the S&S 106and a 510g cam installed, should have it back this week, I'll let you know how it goes.
I've been assured that 'll be giggling like a schoolgirl.
MMM, schoolgirls, but that's another thread....
Biff, you being in Kal, can I ask who you are trusting to do all the work on your motor? and what other parts did you have to upgrade (that didn't come with the kit) to accommodate the increased cubic inches and HP/TQ/compression?
Berms,
Mark from KB American Cycles here in Kal is doing the work for me, He's been in the game 25 years and I've seen some of his work, needless to say, I'm happy with him. As for other parts, adjustable pushrods and gaskets is all that is required. The S&S 106 is pretty much a bolt on job as is. I already have a heavy breather, powerduals with monster ovals, tuning is by way of SEPST. Latest update is that it should be ready by the weekend, fingers crossed.   |
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2009 FLHTCU Flame Blue, Pewter Pearl S&S 106, 510g cam, Heavy Breather A/C V&H Monster Ovals & Power Duals, SEPST. That'll do for now.
- Patience is the ability to keep your motor idling.
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FXSTD.AU
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| 02 Feb 2010 9:58 PM |
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Great thread and great replies!
Keen to see how to S&S 106 build works out... thinking of heading down that path myself. |
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berms
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| 03 Feb 2010 11:59 AM |
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Posted By biff61 on 02 Feb 2010 9:28 PM
Posted By berms on 02 Feb 2010 6:01 PM
Posted By biff61 on 01 Feb 2010 7:57 PM
I'm waiting (im)patiently for my ride to come back. I'm getting the S&S 106and a 510g cam installed, should have it back this week, I'll let you know how it goes.
I've been assured that 'll be giggling like a schoolgirl.
MMM, schoolgirls, but that's another thread....
Biff, you being in Kal, can I ask who you are trusting to do all the work on your motor? and what other parts did you have to upgrade (that didn't come with the kit) to accommodate the increased cubic inches and HP/TQ/compression?
Berms,
Mark from KB American Cycles here in Kal is doing the work for me, He's been in the game 25 years and I've seen some of his work, needless to say, I'm happy with him. As for other parts, adjustable pushrods and gaskets is all that is required. The S&S 106 is pretty much a bolt on job as is. I already have a heavy breather, powerduals with monster ovals, tuning is by way of SEPST. Latest update is that it should be ready by the weekend, fingers crossed.  
Thanks Biff, so you using your stock heads? Did you get 'em cc'ed or ported or anything?
Thanks, berms
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2010 FLSTN, S&S a/c, Bassani Road Rage, PC-V, Danny Gray seat, 12" apes (work in progress) and other bits and pieces.
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biff61
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| 03 Feb 2010 5:35 PM |
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Berms,
just using stock heads for now, have to keep some money in the bank!!! |
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2009 FLHTCU Flame Blue, Pewter Pearl S&S 106, 510g cam, Heavy Breather A/C V&H Monster Ovals & Power Duals, SEPST. That'll do for now.
- Patience is the ability to keep your motor idling.
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Steve
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| 03 Feb 2010 8:06 PM |
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| Are you updating the clutch spring to the SE one? |
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