48 - Side Mount Lic Plate WA

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48 - Side Mount Lic Plate WA

one_day
13 years ago

HI All,

I hear in WA these are illigal but the boys at fresers say you can get a permit for the side mounted accessory they sell.

Anyone have any experaince?

mistajace
13 years ago

they are illegal if you cant see the plate from 45 degrees, either side of center rear..

i think.... what the fuck do i know though.

johnnybgood
9 years ago

Hi lads, in W.A. Not illegal at all, on the proviso that at a distance of 20 metres to rear of the bike within an arc of 45 degrees either side of the bike, the plates are visible and unobstructed. It's listed in an 8 page document of motorcycle rules in the DOT website.

micathia
5 years ago

Hi,
Sorry to bring this topic up again I am having same question on sportster side mount.

I know the "45 degree / 20 metres away" rule. Is sportster's side mount compliant with this rule? Given the fact that unlike the vrod one, sporster's one is mounted rather fall back and high (not on the axle).

Here in Melbourne, I never saw a axle side mounted plate at dealers however, I saw many sporster side mount plate on either new or used bikes dealers are selling?

Dose that mean sporster's side mount is legal?

thx.

Nutty
5 years ago

Breaches ADR 61/02 and is therefore illegal in all states. Breaches NSW regs as well FWIW.
*Defective vehicle
*Operate non-compliant vehicle
*Plate calculated to deceive

There's over $1K in fines for it here, you're begging for a fine.

(Inspectors ticket 1987-2017)

Cootey
4 years ago

Here's the law:
In WA Road traffic and licencing regulations 1975, the latest revision states:

25. Number plate to be fixed on vehicle
(1) The owner or person in charge of a vehicle shall rigidly fix and keep the identification tablet or number plates of the vehicle thereon so that —
(a) in the case of a motor cycle or a trailer or jinker, the identification tablet or number plate is fixed and kept in a conspicuous place on the back of the vehicle, in an upright position and so that the characters thereon are clearly visible and legible, by day and by night;

Side plates are ok as long as they can be seen conspicuously and are upright. There you go!

tussuck
4 years ago

When yah think about it.... a LOT of aftermarket mods are illegal in the various States (mainly because they breach ADR).
BUT what impact it has all comes down to your attitude and that of the cop that pulls you over. I got pinged last week for my sissy bar having 'pointy bits' - and to the degree he could have nailed me if he wanted. He had a good point and I know when to not fight a losing argument so I was polite and agreed with him (given I know the law as well and that he was definitely right). In the end i was given a defect notice only and told to fix it with a a coupe of weeks; which I did the next day. It cost me a total of $50 instead of about $700 if he had the notion.

Its all the luck of the draw at times.

Wideglider
4 years ago

Quoting tussuck on 28 Jan 2020 06:39 AMedited: 28 Jan 2020 06:40 AM
When yah think about it.... a LOT of aftermarket mods are illegal in the various States (mainly because they breach ADR).
BUT what impact it has all comes down to your attitude and that of the cop that pulls you over. I got pinged last week for my sissy bar having 'pointy bits' - and to the degree he could have nailed me if he wanted. He had a good point and I know when to not fight a losing argument so I was polite and agreed with him (given I know the law as well and that he was definitely right). In the end i was given a defect notice only and told to fix it with a a coupe of weeks; which I did the next day. It cost me a total of $50 instead of about $700 if he had the notion.

Its all the luck of the draw at times.

Nanny state again. Does that mean that some desk jockey government knob has dreamed-up that there could be damage from your sissybar to a moron pedestrian, who walks out in front of you (probably staring at his mobile), while you are travelling in reverse gear?
Why do we accept all of this? This shit has to stop!
We will all be riding around in fluoro-vests soon with flashing beacons attached to our helmets.

Mr.Mow
4 years ago

Quoting tussuck on 28 Jan 2020 06:39 AMedited: 28 Jan 2020 06:40 AM
When yah think about it.... a LOT of aftermarket mods are illegal in the various States (mainly because they breach ADR).
BUT what impact it has all comes down to your attitude and that of the cop that pulls you over. I got pinged last week for my sissy bar having 'pointy bits' - and to the degree he could have nailed me if he wanted. He had a good point and I know when to not fight a losing argument so I was polite and agreed with him (given I know the law as well and that he was definitely right). In the end i was given a defect notice only and told to fix it with a a coupe of weeks; which I did the next day. It cost me a total of $50 instead of about $700 if he had the notion.

Its all the luck of the draw at times.

Like when I was pulled on my ironhead chopper, cop walked along 'indicators, taillight, air cleaner, exhaust, headlights.. mate i'm just going to write you up for no front guard today ok? Oh also mentions you're meant to wear glasses.. lets just stick to the guard eh?'

micathia
4 years ago

I can only say about VIC, I asked similar question before.
VIC rule never say side mount is illegal, it only says you have to be able to see it 45 degree 20 metres away from both sides.

Side mount has two groups. Very different. One is axle mounting side mount, which is no way legal in Aus I guess; the other group is like many sportster and street bob, side mount is on the fender left end.

I can only speak of the second group. Most people made a mistake by mounting it as close as possible to the wheel. I didn't do this way, I mounted as far as possible to the wheel. 2cm away from the wheel, make it easily be seen from 60 degrees 20 metres away from both sides. So technically, I am compliant with the rule.

Of course, being a Harley, cops can always pinpoint what you have gone wrong just because he/she doesn't like you.

themilkman
3 years ago

In summary if you are mounting the plate vertically over the back wheel that is fine (see orange bike), but if you mount it to the side next to the axle of the rear wheel then this is not allowed (see black bike). This is of course only as long as you don't bend or tamper with the number plate itself, and comply with the other regulations stated below*

The DOT Ride safe handbook specifies " The number plate/s on the motorcycle you ride or own must be; .... able to be seen and read clearly from anywhere within a 45 degree arc of the motorcycle’s centre line, at a distance of at least 20 metres. That means the plates cannot be obstructed by anything; clearly readable – not dirty, worn or damaged" [Page 48-49, https://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/licensing/LBU_DL_B_RideSafe_e.pdf]

Additionally according to Legislation.wa.gov.au "Section 119 - Number plate to be fixed to vehicle" which states in the subregulation (2), that "A number plate issued by the CEO or a corresponding authority for a motor cycle, trailer or jinker must be fixed and kept in a conspicuous place on the back of the vehicle, in an upright position and so that the characters on the plate are clearly visible and legible during the daytime and at night".

I believe it is reasonable to conclude that "an upright position" is referring to the normal angle of the plate face with respect to the ground and not the orientation of the characters, thus mounting the licence plate lengthways over the back wheel is acceptable so long as all the characters are not obstructed.

[Page 71 of Road Traffic (Vehicles) Regulations 2014, as at 01 July 2016, Accessed 16 March 2021 from https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legislation/prod/filestore.nsf/FileURL/mrdoc_28804.pdf/$FILE/Road%20Traffic%20(Vehicles)%20Regulations%202014%20-%20%5B00-h0-01%5D.pdf?OpenElement ]

*note: I am not a lawyer and this should not be considered legal advice. These are my interpretations and opinions of which I believe to be true.

Far Canal
3 years ago

"*note: I am not a lawyer and this should not be considered legal advice. These are my interpretations and opinions of which I believe to be true."
Strange arsed post out of the blue mate!

beaglebasher
3 years ago

We used to have a few legal eagles on this forum that would try to bullshit us with their knowledge of the legal system.
Welcome back James.
Personally I have never had to worry about that sort of stuff because in life I was always on my best behaviour.
Except for a couple of times.

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roadrunner14
3 years ago

I just am in awe.......this thread has been running 10 years 🥸

dicko
3 years ago

Just bolt the number plate to the back of your helmet!. Its fixed to your head and therefore "fixed" to the bike by the retaining straps of your helmet, and it can be clearly seen from the proper angles. This has the advantage of only requiring one number plate for all your bikes. Just make sure your personal number plate doesn't read DIKHED!

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Wideglider
3 years ago

Quoting dicko on 20 Mar 2021 09:31 AM
Just bolt the number plate to the back of your helmet!. Its fixed to your head and therefore "fixed" to the bike by the retaining straps of your helmet, and it can be clearly seen from the proper angles. This has the advantage of only requiring one number plate for all your bikes. Just make sure your personal number plate doesn't read DIKHED!

Ha - funny as!
I occasionally see new riders with their L or P plate attached to their backpacks, or just directly on their backs duct-taped to their jacket!
So may as well cable-tie the numberplate to your back.

Krash Kinkade
3 years ago

What can I say.
Anyone remember when NSW, you needed to have your Bikes rear wheel covered to below the rear wheel's axle?
That law was still in place when I bought my old AMF Shovel New & in fact my new Harley was illegal. And I did 'nt know it, but get a bad cop & you found out.

themilkman
2 years ago

Quoting Far Canal on 16 Mar 2021 09:38 AM
"*note: I am not a lawyer and this should not be considered legal advice. These are my interpretations and opinions of which I believe to be true."
Strange arsed post out of the blue mate!

ahaha yeh sorry mate was a bit out of the blue. I only found this thread because I was doing some mods to my bike and wanted to have my licence plate fixed over the back wheel as a mudflap kinda thing, but wasn't sure of the legality so i had to go and do some research and read through a bunch of laws and police policies but i just wanted to cover my ass because I'm not a lawyer and i could be wrong.

ThomasBlair
6 months

Just wondering if there are any Motorcycle backpacks that offer water tanks. I checked the Viking bags and RevZilla but could not find any backpacks with water bottle/tank.

keith
6 months

Quoting ThomasBlair on 28 Sep 2023 01:17 PM
Just wondering if there are any Motorcycle backpacks that offer water tanks. I checked the Viking bags and RevZilla but could not find any backpacks with water bottle/tank.

https://camelbak.com.au/

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48 - Side Mount Lic Plate WA

48 - Side Mount Lic Plate WA

one_day

mistajace

johnnybgood

micathia

Nutty

Cootey

tussuck

Wideglider

Mr.Mow

micathia

themilkman

Far Canal

beaglebasher

roadrunner14

dicko

Wideglider

Krash Kinkade

themilkman

ThomasBlair

keith