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  • ApocalypticR Posts: 4
    Stock Poster ApocalypticR
    29 Jan 2011 02:58 AM

     Hi guys,

    Long time lurker, first time poster.

    I came across someone who will sell me a Kikker 5150 Bobber kit with; (Cheap)Chrome frame, Springer front end, 250cc V-Twin, Custom heat wrap pipes, painted tins, white walls etc for a very reasonable price. Only issue with it is getting it registered.

    Has anyone here bought a bike online in pieces or imported a custom motorcycle and then registered it? How do I get past all this RTA crap?

    I called up the RTA and talked to Technical enquiries, and the guy there must have misheard me because instead of giving me the information I wanted her gave me his personal opinion. Cut me off 4 times, and I proved him wrong twice. 

    I've been told it's a 'costly' path, and I've been told I could spend upto $4k on it. But realistically I'd end up with a bike that cost me less than $10k like most of the other Learner legal bikes, and I'll actually like the style of the bike.

    Too long didn't read? In short, I wanna import a 250cc bike in pieces and I want to build it and register it so I can ride it. Need some help understanding the things I'll need to do to make it a reality.

    Heres a picture of a 200cc version of it. No where as nice as the one I plan on importing.

  • Bano Posts: 2295
    Motor Head Bano
    29 Jan 2011 03:20 AM

    Have you checked out Hunter Motorcycles they have 250 and Bobber 350cc I think thay are aussie dealers
  • ApocalypticR Posts: 4
    Stock Poster ApocalypticR
    29 Jan 2011 03:31 AM
    Yeah I have. Not a fan of the Hunter Spyder, and the bobber hasn't come out yet.

    I would be paying the same amount roughly, I think. And in my opinion the Kikker looks way better. It will have short shot style pipes.
  • Hilly Posts: 0
    Hilly
    29 Jan 2011 05:56 AM
    I like it, can't help you though......
  • Bano Posts: 2295
    Motor Head Bano
    29 Jan 2011 10:09 AM
    Posted By ApocalypticR on 29 Jan 2011 2:01 AM
    Yeah I have. Not a fan of the Hunter Spyder, and the bobber hasn't come out yet.

    I would be paying the same amount roughly, I think. And in my opinion the Kikker looks way better. It will have short shot style pipes.

    I think the Bobber is due out real soon.

    Blackey from this site would have more info on it.

     

  • Hound_Dog Posts: 1833
    Motor Head Hound_Dog
    29 Jan 2011 01:12 PM
    Listen to Chopa!

    For mine, if u are a learner, save your money buying a wanna be thing like this. Get thru your L's and buy a friggin Sportser or something. 10 K will get u something with change leftover for some Bobber stuff. Check out Walkas cool Sporty
  • ApocalypticR Posts: 4
    Stock Poster ApocalypticR
    29 Jan 2011 02:31 PM
    Posted By chopaweeza on 29 Jan 2011 9:11 AM
    Whoever advised you that it would take $4k to get it road legal was pretty spot on . Add to that a minimum of 100 hours of your time to get it complianced . I deal with customer enquiries every week about importing choppers from the US so I know way too well whats involved . Unless they also provide you with an MSO for the frame you will find it almost impossible to get passed . Also , just because it's a 250 doesn't make it LAMS compliant unless you pay to have it tested and passed as such . That is another expense .

    If you like that style and are on a budget get a 250 Jap single like ar SR or a GN then get it hardtailed . I can recommend a few places to get it done properly if you like . Will cost alot less then importing a Kikker and should still be LAMS legal in most areas .

    My contact details are in my profile if you want to disguss it further .

    I was under the impression that anything below 260cc is legal. On the RTA website it states:

    All motorcycles with an engine capacity under 260ml are approved with the exception of:

    Suzuki - RGV250
    Kawasaki - KR250 (KR-1 and KR1s models)
    Honda - NSR250
    Yamaha - TZR250
    Aprila - RS250


    I've been having some issues getting the guy to get back to me. They are based in Hong Kong, which I'm almost certain that these kikkers are made. If not, he resells these bikes for a ridiculously cheap price compared to the USA. Ofcourse, these aren't called Kikkers, they're just a bobber kit. Probably find that Kikker badged them as their own like most small cc bike companies.

     

    I don't know if I could do a bike like the 'kikker' for the same price. Not with all the 'features' that the 'kikker' comes with. 

     

    I can most definitely get the MSO for the frame, do you know anyone that could do the compliance for a reasonable price? eg. the $4k

     

    Cheers for the help Chopaweeza, definitely the most helpful answer I've received out of the 4 places I've asked.

  • SoftailSteve Posts: 2492
    Motor Head SoftailSteve
    29 Jan 2011 04:43 PM

     sounds like some good advice ,sounds costly though price you pay for something one off 

  • BLACKEY Posts: 0
    BLACKEY
    30 Jan 2011 07:56 AM
    Posted By chopaweeza on 29 Jan 2011 2:32 PM
    It does state that . But the bike in question has to have a compliance plate and not an ICV to be eligible . I am looking at making Buell Blast engined rigids similar to our range of Flyrite Smokin Gun's and went through it all with the RTA & the Dept of Infrastructure . ICV's are not learner legal so if I wanted to make Buell Blast choppers learner legal I would have to submit one for compliance testing and have a small run ADR compliance plate issued . Not cheap that . You will have the same problem with the Kikker .

    I can recommend several Engineers but make sure that the engineering on the bike is up to scratch first . Otherwise you are just throwing money away as engineers charge by the hour .There are a number of areas of the bike that need changing to pass . The cost on those depends on your skill and budget . Headlight , tail light and blinkers have placement rules and all have to be "E" stamped. E stamping is a Euro Compliance mark that we also accept on those items . Also need a working instrument cluster , full length guards , ADR compliant brakes & lines , quiet exhaust , ADR compliant tyres , the springer may need seperate engineering certificate , the jockey shift & foot clutch need to be changed to foot shift and hand clutch to be ADR compliant and on top of that you might have ground clearance issues . There are others but thats the short list .

     

    Well said.

    I know of one company that has spent $257,000 with engineers/DOTARS so far on full volume compliance on 3 models, braking tests alone cost $8,000, every bliker/tail light/headlight lens/tyres/brake lines, all must be EEC & TUV compliant, if the ones used aren't, you gotta source ones that are OR have em tested and certified, this can take years not weeks, noise tests, you're entering a legal minefield. Wether it be an ICV(Individual Contructed Vehicle) OR Full Volume application, ya still got the same hoops to jump through.

    Going to rain on your parade here, its all a nice dream but it ain't gonna happen, keep it simple kid, as stated above, just buy an existing LAMS bike & modify, other than that you're just opening a can of worms kiddo.

  • bertiebettle Posts: 117
    Victoria, Australia
    Stock Poster bertiebettle
    30 Jan 2011 05:09 PM
    One more I found while look for a low, light crusier for the missus. Don't know anything about them.

    http://www.torinomotorcycles.com.au/la-bora-overviews.html

    I think the Hunter bike and the Victory bike are still the pick.
  • walka Posts: 3347
    MELBOURNE
    Forum Legend walka
    30 Jan 2011 08:05 PM

    Forget about a Kikker, Sure they look cool but it be Honest your better of Modifing your own Bike .

    As Wayne said It is easy to Hardtail a Jap 250. Buying a Bike isn't a big out lay and Parts to put together a Bobber style Bike are easy to find and cheep, a lot of Harley stuff is universal.  Good Starts are GN 250 Suzuki,, SR Yamaha, Kwaka 250's,maybe a BSA ,,Shit Iv'e even seen Postie Bike turned in to something amasing.

    There is no better feeling that when you pull up at a set of Lights and the guy sitting in his Car next to you gives you a big Thums Up.

    Jump on to Google Images and check out whats out there

  • BLACKEY Posts: 0
    BLACKEY
    31 Jan 2011 04:53 PM
    Posted By walka on 30 Jan 2011 6:35 PM

      Def the toughest looking postie I've seen

    Posted By bertiebettle on 30 Jan 2011 3:39 PM
    One more I found while look for a low, light crusier for the missus. Don't know anything about them.

    http://www.torinomotorcycles.com.au/la-bora-overviews.html

     

     They the 3rd mob in 3 yrs thats tried getting that bora ADR'd, this mob been trying for a year now, it won't comply with ADR.

     

  • jigga Posts: 10
    Stock Poster jigga
    19 Mar 2011 12:08 AM
    Posted By walka on 30 Jan 2011 6:35 PM

    Forget about a Kikker, Sure they look cool but it be Honest your better of Modifing your own Bike .

    As Wayne said It is easy to Hardtail a Jap 250. Buying a Bike isn't a big out lay and Parts to put together a Bobber style Bike are easy to find and cheep, a lot of Harley stuff is universal.  Good Starts are GN 250 Suzuki,, SR Yamaha, Kwaka 250's,maybe a BSA ,,Shit Iv'e even seen Postie Bike turned in to something amasing.

    There is no better feeling that when you pull up at a set of Lights and the guy sitting in his Car next to you gives you a big Thums Up.

    Jump on to Google Images and check out whats out there

    thats cool..

    whats involved in hardtailign biking legality wise?

     

  • jigga Posts: 10
    Stock Poster jigga
    19 Mar 2011 04:20 PM
    Posted By chopaweeza on 19 Mar 2011 6:37 AM
    There are a number of so called "Generic Hardtail Kits" on the market that usually involve 4 times the work of doing it right in the first place and usually end up looking like a dogs breakfast . Legalitywise - I believe that it's now all states that bolt on or weld on hardtails need an ICV . So thats the same as a full blown custom . Simply adding Struts like the grey moped has done is perfectly legal without an ICV .



     

    so its really not cheap or easy just to hartail a bike then?

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