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  • paulybronco Posts: 11422
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    08 Jan 2019 10:57 AM
    Quoting Cview on 08 Jan 2019 10:14 AM
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    Quoting Cview on 08 Jan 2019 10:17 AM
    $29,700 us 110 mile range
    Not off my money!
  • Baloffski Posts: 1628
    Victoria
    Motor Head Baloffski
    08 Jan 2019 11:31 AM
    Put the thumb out after 110 miles. Or syphon some electricity...How does that work.. Battery pack on bike trailer?
  • paulybronco Posts: 11422
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    08 Jan 2019 02:17 PM
    Quoting Baloffski on 08 Jan 2019 11:31 AM
    Put the thumb out after 110 miles. Or syphon some electricity...How does that work.. Battery pack on bike trailer?
    Use your i phone.......to call an uber!
  • paulybronco Posts: 11422
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    08 Jan 2019 04:16 PM
    This bike is nearly 40k!! 
  • Baloffski Posts: 1628
    Victoria
    Motor Head Baloffski
    08 Jan 2019 04:43 PM
    FCoffff. In an extremely good way... 


  • Scouser Posts: 1873
    Marion, South Australia
    Motor Head Scouser
    08 Jan 2019 08:16 PM
    I would look at one for $20K but at $40K I will walk!
  • Choco Posts: 421
    Hervey Bay Queensland
    Stage 1 Poster Choco
    09 Jan 2019 01:16 PM
    $40,000 for a electric toaster I don't think so. Harley has lost it, their new bikes sales is failing badly, second hand market nearly giving away late model Harley's, I am starting to believe that Harley are in their end days.
  • Wideglider Posts: 547
    Illawarra NSW
    Performance Poster Wideglider
    09 Jan 2019 08:28 PM
    When considering the price don't forget to factor in greatly reduced running/maintenance costs. 
    It is an electric motor, compared to an engine - an electric motor has just a single moving part! No wear from pieces of metal rubbing against each other or opening/closing against each other, no springs, no gears meshing, no pistons, no cylinder/ring wear, no compression loss, no valves opening/closing, no exhaust/mufflers caboning up, no soot, no engine/transmission/primary oil, no seals/gaskets, no petrol costs, no fuel tank corrosion, no fuel tap/line leaks, no air leaks, no starter motor, no clutch, no gearbox, no oil cooler, no water/radiator, no ignition module/cam position sensor, no spark plugs, no injectors or carbs, no air filter, no tuning, no detonation or overheating damage, no vibration damage, no heat damage.
    The running costs saved per km just on fuel savings alone are quite substantial, then maintenance costs being low you would get a return on your initial money outlay soon enough.
    One disadvantage with high voltage power system is there would be much less for the owner to tinker with!
  • paulybronco Posts: 11422
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    09 Jan 2019 11:31 PM
    Quoting Wideglider on 09 Jan 2019 08:28 PMedited: 09 Jan 2019 08:31 PM
    When considering the price don't forget to factor in greatly reduced running/maintenance costs. 
    It is an electric motor, compared to an engine - an electric motor has just a single moving part! No wear from pieces of metal rubbing against each other or opening/closing against each other, no springs, no gears meshing, no pistons, no cylinder/ring wear, no compression loss, no valves opening/closing, no exhaust/mufflers caboning up, no soot, no engine/transmission/primary oil, no seals/gaskets, no petrol costs, no fuel tank corrosion, no fuel tap/line leaks, no air leaks, no starter motor, no clutch, no gearbox, no oil cooler, no water/radiator, no ignition module/cam position sensor, no spark plugs, no injectors or carbs, no air filter, no tuning, no detonation or overheating damage, no vibration damage, no heat damage.
    The running costs saved per km just on fuel savings alone are quite substantial, then maintenance costs being low you would get a return on your initial money outlay soon enough.
    One disadvantage with high voltage power system is there would be much less for the owner to tinker with!
    What are all the aftermarket guys going to do now......centrelink?
  • Wideglider Posts: 547
    Illawarra NSW
    Performance Poster Wideglider
    09 Jan 2019 11:56 PM
    Quoting Wideglider on 09 Jan 2019 08:28 PMedited: 09 Jan 2019 08:31 PM
    When considering the price don't forget to factor in greatly reduced running/maintenance costs. 
    It is an electric motor, compared to an engine - an electric motor has just a single moving part! No wear from pieces of metal rubbing against each other or opening/closing against each other, no springs, no gears meshing, no pistons, no cylinder/ring wear, no compression loss, no valves opening/closing, no exhaust/mufflers caboning up, no soot, no engine/transmission/primary oil, no seals/gaskets, no petrol costs, no fuel tank corrosion, no fuel tap/line leaks, no air leaks, no starter motor, no clutch, no gearbox, no oil cooler, no water/radiator, no ignition module/cam position sensor, no spark plugs, no injectors or carbs, no air filter, no tuning, no detonation or overheating damage, no vibration damage, no heat damage.
    The running costs saved per km just on fuel savings alone are quite substantial, then maintenance costs being low you would get a return on your initial money outlay soon enough.
    One disadvantage with high voltage power system is there would be much less for the owner to tinker with!
    Quoting paulybronco on 09 Jan 2019 11:31 PM
    What are all the aftermarket guys going to do now......centrelink?
    Still aftermarket parts options - suspension, brakes, wheels, seats etc.
    Although with the bike coming with Brembo brakes & Showa suspension you would wanna keep them.
  • Scouser Posts: 1873
    Marion, South Australia
    Motor Head Scouser
    10 Jan 2019 10:37 AM
    Quoting Wideglider on 09 Jan 2019 08:28 PMedited: 09 Jan 2019 08:31 PM
    When considering the price don't forget to factor in greatly reduced running/maintenance costs. 
    It is an electric motor, compared to an engine - an electric motor has just a single moving part! No wear from pieces of metal rubbing against each other or opening/closing against each other, no springs, no gears meshing, no pistons, no cylinder/ring wear, no compression loss, no valves opening/closing, no exhaust/mufflers caboning up, no soot, no engine/transmission/primary oil, no seals/gaskets, no petrol costs, no fuel tank corrosion, no fuel tap/line leaks, no air leaks, no starter motor, no clutch, no gearbox, no oil cooler, no water/radiator, no ignition module/cam position sensor, no spark plugs, no injectors or carbs, no air filter, no tuning, no detonation or overheating damage, no vibration damage, no heat damage.
    The running costs saved per km just on fuel savings alone are quite substantial, then maintenance costs being low you would get a return on your initial money outlay soon enough.
    One disadvantage with high voltage power system is there would be much less for the owner to tinker with!
    But how long does the battery pack last.
    I believe they degrade over time?
    The more you recharge and if you use the rapid charge the more they degrade.

    This is just what I have read so I was wondering if anyone knows the facts?
  • Liam Posts: 25
    Brissy
    Stock Poster Liam
    25 Mar 2019 09:45 PM
    I recently rode a Zero. Totally amazing. Electric will be the future. Start prepping your bikes for home made ethanol and some veggie oil. Electric bike are at first try bloody AWSOME. But ultimately, currently BORING. Notice awsome and boring carry the same weight. But, and it's a big but I think, currently around 80% recharge in 15 to 20 minutes. That will drop to 100% in a few minutes and the range will exceed a 1000klm. How do I know? What was a 4 cylinder putting out in the 80's and what are they putting out now.
    You will be able to have your Tour Glide, two up, straight cut gears so it sounds awsome, maybe as they do now an engine soundtrack to go with it. In 20 years time 99% of bikers will wonder what all the fuss was about. Oh yeah those of us who can hang on to a current HD gas guzzler might live long enough to own a piece of history. 
    Not me, so I'm riding my XBones every day.

  • Soapbox2627 Posts: 3277
    Whyalla South Australia
    Forum Legend Soapbox2627
    25 Mar 2019 10:35 PM
    Quoting Liam on 25 Mar 2019 09:45 PM
    I recently rode a Zero. Totally amazing. Electric will be the future. Start prepping your bikes for home made ethanol and some veggie oil. Electric bike are at first try bloody AWSOME. But ultimately, currently BORING. Notice awsome and boring carry the same weight. But, and it's a big but I think, currently around 80% recharge in 15 to 20 minutes. That will drop to 100% in a few minutes and the range will exceed a 1000klm. How do I know? What was a 4 cylinder putting out in the 80's and what are they putting out now.
    You will be able to have your Tour Glide, two up, straight cut gears so it sounds awsome, maybe as they do now an engine soundtrack to go with it. In 20 years time 99% of bikers will wonder what all the fuss was about. Oh yeah those of us who can hang on to a current HD gas guzzler might live long enough to own a piece of history. 
    Not me, so I'm riding my XBones every day.

    and by then, the old x-bones will be worth $20 and fuel for it will be priced out of your pension affordability

    I doubt I will ever own one, my retirement plans does not include this kind of toy
  • Krash Kinkade Posts: 2487
    Motor Head Krash Kinkade
    26 Mar 2019 08:00 AM
    a friend was telling me he is buying a little electric car for $60k soon to save on fuel cost's , he does not drive much, so I said u can buy a lot of fuel with the $.
    my thoughts is short maximum range & if you need to drive up big hill's the range will be less. if a large volume of electric cars & mc's on the road the gov loose fuel tax revenue, so the charging points would most probably attract tax's. what I'm wondering is if it takes two to four hours to charge what do you do while waiting ( like would you leave a car or bike in a servo while it is filling up for four hour's ? )

  • Soapbox2627 Posts: 3277
    Whyalla South Australia
    Forum Legend Soapbox2627
    26 Mar 2019 12:55 PM
    Quoting Krash Kinkade on 26 Mar 2019 08:00 AM
    a friend was telling me he is buying a little electric car for $60k soon to save on fuel cost's , he does not drive much, so I said u can buy a lot of fuel with the $.
    my thoughts is short maximum range & if you need to drive up big hill's the range will be less. if a large volume of electric cars & mc's on the road the gov loose fuel tax revenue, so the charging points would most probably attract tax's. what I'm wondering is if it takes two to four hours to charge what do you do while waiting ( like would you leave a car or bike in a servo while it is filling up for four hour's ? )

    I'd say plan the trip around when you eat, 4 hour before, now thinking about it, 4 hours is a lot of time to kill when traveling

    leaving the car charging for 4 hours would be no different to going shopping and having parked in the parking lot for the same time
  • Nutty Posts: 290
    Stage 1 Poster Nutty
    26 Mar 2019 04:42 PM
    Fuel costs mean SFA. Governments world-wide are already planning per-km road usage charges to replace fuel excise revenue. NZ already has it for diesels. As for avoiding Harley dealer mechanics, anyone with half a brain already does that...
  • Far Canal Posts: 1575
    Motor Head Far Canal
    26 Mar 2019 04:52 PM
    If everyone has an electric car or bike or both, that'd use a lot of electricity.
    Where is all the electricity going to come from?, seems some capital cities electricity grids already get overloaded on hot days. Add millions of vehicles to the equation and it seems like a big ask.
  • JFE Posts: 1493
    NSW
    Performance Poster JFE
    27 Mar 2019 09:26 AM
    The only way I’ve heard that ppl are making EV’s work is to use them for around town duty and charge them overnight from their home solar system. Got a mate that does that with his hybrid Mitsubishi. A bike could work for that but if the Livewire is circa $40,000 then you aren’t buying one to save $$!

    If/when I get to solar, I’d consider a set-up for the run around car but for now the outlay costs EV car + solar + adequate home charging point don’t add up. That will change as energy prices keep going north and inevitably, government will intervene more to subsidise EV’s and solar (please note I don’t totally support taxpayer subsidies for EV’s, their infrastructure or solar). 

    Outside of all this, I have a level of faith technology will evolve enough in the next 5-10 years that will make what we take for granted now to be ‘old news’.
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