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question about vintage concessional registration

  • ghostwolf59
    ghostwolf59
    7 years ago

    Anyone here that have some knowledge about register your vintage harley under the vintage/veteran rules in WA?

    I have read that you MUST be a financial contributor of a registered vintage club, but there's some other things I cant get my head around

    1. The rules I just read up on (http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/licensing/LBU_F_VL_C_E81_VintageVeteranConcession.pdf) talks about 25 or more old bikes but then goes on limiting this to ...
    • Be more than 25 years old and fit into one of the following age categories:
    • Veteran (manufactured prior to and including 1918).
    • Vintage (manufactured between 1919 and 1930).
    • Post Vintage (manufactured between 1930 and 31/12/1949).
    • Invitation (manufactured on or after 01/01/1950 but no less than 25 years old
    • Be in original/unmodified condition.
     

    Mine is a 1981 FLHC - does that my 36 year old bike wont qualify for a concession then or...?

    I am also scrathcing my head when it comes to what (at least some) vintage clubs state in their rules...
    * Motorcycle can only(!) be used on club events

    Don;t get that one - isnt there any vintage organisations that at least would allow you to ride your bike day & night during weekends and that also allow you to take it on bike events and holiday trips?

    If there;s such a club (not sure if I MUST be registerd with a WA based vintage club) then I would be most interested knowing who they are?

    Also the rules about the bike being 100% unmodified puzzles me somewhat - Why - a vintage could be just as much vintage in every aspect but still had some alterations and improvements - where does the 100% original rule start-stop ?

  • Wimbo
    Wimbo
    7 years ago
    The second last rule would be you mate and as long as your bike doesnt look like a Paul Juniors, the last rule should cover you. 100% unmodified sounds like a fool in the public service came up with that and is thick as! In Regards to the rest, no idea.
  • Spook
    Spook
    7 years ago
    As an adjunct to this thread does anyone have an idea on the rules in SA? Not trying to hijack your thread, wolfie.
  • kickinon
    kickinon
    7 years ago
    ghostwolf59, l dont know the rules in W.A. but Here in Vic. l asked at the mechanics shop that does the R.W.C on hot rods that get club rego'd ,he also does bike RWC,
    he put me onto ASRF(Australian Street Rod Federation) l can rego 25 year + bikes here as long as they are in good road worthy condition,you have a asrf branch in W.A. so does S.A. for the other bloke that asked , also if l were you id ask someone with club plates on their bike about how to go about it,l had a lot of hassles trying to work it out online with all the crap out there and false imfo. better to ask someone who has it already....once you've done it once its easy..
  • ghostwolf59
    ghostwolf59
    6 years ago
    The other day I looked up the list of CMC accredited vintage clubs in WA (https://www.icwa.wa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/1309/Council-of-Motoring-Clubs-of-W.A.-Inc.pdf) (apparently only CMC recognized organizations that you need to be a member of is acceptable when trying to put your vintage vehicle onto the historical/vintage rego scheme)

    Found one down in Bunbury dealing with vintage HD's and Indians (wont mention their name, but ought to be pretty clear who we are dealing with here...)

    Popped an email explaining my intention where I between the lines also expressed that I am getting sick of the high rego fees (probably wrong move - will get to that later...:) )
    Anyway, a day later I received an email from one of their top notch guys outlining whats required - This email went on, and on, and on... Probably like 10 pages long with one restriction after another (not kidding - it was hell long and did not really touch on what they had to offer - just one restriction after another - like mandatory to turn up on club events weddings, funerals - not allowed to take the bike out unless they are notified - not allowed to go ride more than 30km away from your home (unless permission being given and logbooks had been properly updated.... just went on and on

    I offered a reply expressing a level of surprise in terms of the level of restriction put on them (by pollies and WA gov) where I asked a polite question if they ever considered bring some of these restrictions up for discussion and questioning with authorities - some of these (like not being able to use the vehicle outside club events, not being allowed to take it for a day trip without asking for permission by the club, like not being able to take it out for a 1-2 week trip (perhaps meeting up with other clubs or just short holiday trip with your family members)
    I never received and answer to this question, but a day or two later I received an email from the club president stating:  "bottom line is that the club will not be able to grant you membership, should you wish to apply, given the fact that you state your main reason for gaining membership is to obtain cheap licensing for your machine, and it’s intended use on private journeys."
    To say the least a very interesting reply - I never said my main reason was to gain cheap licensing - I just put that one across as annoying considering the low use I get out of my 36 year old bike and therefore wanted to look into putting on a historic/vintage scheme - seeking more info on the process towards this.

    So I now given up on this idea - Vintage rego is complete B*S and really would amount to more or less signing away my personal freedom and property in a clubs name

    I am surprised these organizations dont try to put up a good argument trying to amend many of the rules and restrictions - If someone use their bike daily to commute to/from work I can accept their argument, but to prevent someone from using their bike on rare occasion or weekends without the clubs permission is absurd and do not encourage the use of these old bikes etc.

    Well, at least I learned something = vintage clubs in WA like to be in control and dont want to change anything (even if this encourage better and more activity among members)

  • punkin
    punkin
    6 years ago
    This post shows a  real ignoranc3 of the purpose of a club,the purpose of the club rego and the progress that clubs have made politically in the last couple years (after battling and lobbying for half a century ).
    Absolutely you 2ant to take advantage of the 20 or 30 year members efforts just to get cheap rego.
    And the fact that you whine and blame these guys for the strict government imposedregulations that were a compromise to get the concessions after the yearsof lobbying says more about you than them.

    How about you volunteer for the club committee,  do some orgamising of runs,maybe publ8sh the newsletter on your printer at home and post it out? 
    Then after you'vedone twenty years of thayy come and tell us what cunts they are?

    If you want the benefits of full rego pay the Xtra couple hungie for fucks sake.
  • John.R
    John.R
    6 years ago
    If you want to use it like a normal vehicle, just register it like a normal vehicle. 
    Is there any reason why you dont want to have it on normal rego and ride it whenever you want?

  • punkin
    punkin
    6 years ago
    First off i am not on the committee of any club. Nor am i a mber of any club except the local watering hole. 
    Your assumption that because i defend those people with a passion for their Marques becsuse im one of them is wrong.

    Fact is you want to scam cheap rego and have full rego rights and you are nlaming the enthusiasts for not helping you rourt the rest of us.

    There's no reason at all you can't ride where and when you like,  just pay your rego like anyone else.
  • punkin
    punkin
    6 years ago
    Reread your last post. 
    The clubs are made to enforce the rules by the govt. The new changes to the legislation as i understand them are a trial to see if guys like you xan be kept in check and the scheme used for what it's meant for. Enthusiasts who don't drive their cars or bikes every day but would like to drive it more than club runs and 12 times a year to test the brakes.
    And as a trial im sure that the clubs are aware that it has repercussions on them when a member is caught doing the wrong thing. The club has signed off, the govt require you to fill the logbook out and if you are caught a couple times what happens to the club? 

    Their has been some Pistol Clubs closed down for members caught doing the wrong thing. 

    They refused you membership cause it was very obvious that you had no interest in being anactive member,  but you were simply taking advantage of them.

    Cant see you getting much sympathy here. 
  • steelo
    steelo
    6 years ago
    I do sympathize but honestly it's a disease I have

  • 78gold
    78gold
    6 years ago
    Well well well, 
    Ok I am a bit in both camps, I can understand clubs not wanting the additional costs and hassle (remember they are mainly volunteers) of being inundated with members simply chasing the concessional rego. Not interested in club activities, other club members or advancing the club/brand of cycle.

    I think this is unfair on the clubs and something brought about in two parts from what I see, one the gumbiment has their heads up there arse when it comes to making something simple and two the lobbying by some bike clubs to get this concessional scheme up and running is a two edged sword. On one hand it attracts members to the classic and historic clubs, hopefully bringing younger members on board and making the club viable but on the other means someone who legitimately wants to take advantage of some $ savings on rego for an older vehicle they may not ride often or far has to go through a club even though their interests lie elsewhere.

    I don't know why the historic concessional scheme cant be run by the individual state registry's and on common rules Australia wide. I agree that a logbook system is probably an inconvenience but it is the easiest system to record usage on. Give them 60 days a year (per registration) on concessional with logbook required before and at end of each trip, get pink slip from any authorised agent, pay rego through registry and run special historic plates. I really don't think its rocket science or that friggen hard to work out.

    If I am happy to ride 60 days a year or less on that bike and am happy to fill a logbook and cop any fines for not filling out properly then I get cheaper Rego (which should be forced to flow onto comprehensive and third party insurance). If I don't want to do that I just pay full rate.

    In my opinion the only rules as far as eligibility are it should be set at 25 years or older and able to pass rego inspection.

    If I want to then join a bike club with similar interests well that is my business and should have nothing to do with registering my vehicle.

    I currently have:
    1980 XS650 Cafe
    1978 XS650 That will be a scrambler
    1992 FXRS/C
    2003 Sportyy 1200s
    2006 Lowrider

    And Rego's are killing me. If I could get at least a couple on cheaper rego/insurance I could probably pick up another (or two)

    Ride Safe All


  • skirtster
    skirtster
    6 years ago
    Ever thought about getting some mates together and starting your own club.
  • 78gold
    78gold
    6 years ago
    Skirtster
    "Ever thought about getting some mates together and starting your own club."

    Not sure if directed my way but I am part of a loose (In many ways) group of guys from all over SA, VIC, NSW, QLD and we have an annual run and catch up when we can during the year. This has been discussed a few times at our annual run but we are not a "Club" as such and with all the reporting and registration requirements of being a fully "bona fide" club we decided not to go that way. Add to that the requirements of being a scrutineer for the classic scheme and it all gets a bit hard for a bunch of guys that just like to go for a ride, have a beer and talk crap. Not unlike this site but heaps smaller we have a forum for contacting each other and arranging rides but that's about as officious as we get. We have a couple of forum mods and they basically do fuck all (like me) no president, secretary, treasurer etc. No money to join if we do a run and a patch or T Shirt we get numbers someone organises it and it just happens. We don't want and probably couldn't manage much more. 

    That's why I reckon it should be a National Scheme run by the individual State Government registry's and simply a cheaper Pink Slip, Green Slip and Registration.
    The infrastructure is already there there would be minimal additional costs and the same authorised sites for pink slips etc would give you the restricted pink slip.

    Anyway I need another Endone and Naprosyn so gotta go.