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  • paulybronco Posts: 11948
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    27 Apr 2017 05:50 PM
    Bike sales in Australia have been down 13.5% in the first quarter compared to same period in 2016. Roadbike sales are down 15.5%. Up was Victory 61%! and Indian 12.9%.
    Best individual seller in roadbikes was HD Breakout selling at 16%more units than previous year. 
  • rodders Posts: 5829
    Victoria
    Forum Legend rodders
    27 Apr 2017 07:03 PM

    Wasn't last year the biggest bike sales on record? Can't keep going up year on year.

    Wait.....unless Australia Post puts in another big order.

  • paulybronco Posts: 11948
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    27 Apr 2017 07:30 PM
    Posted by rodders on 27 Apr 2017 07:03 PM

    Wasn't last year the biggest bike sales on record? Can't keep going up year on year.

    Wait.....unless Australia Post puts in another big order.

     LOL This data does not include ct110 sales.

  • JFE Posts: 1740
    NSW
    Motor Head JFE
    27 Apr 2017 07:50 PM
    Victory and Indian sorta of makes sense, but don't really know why you would. 

    For other road bikes sales, there are a bunch of cracking new models coming online from Triumph, Suzuki, Honda, Yamaha, Harley in 2017. Maybe BMW too. Some new bike buyers have waited.

    Interesting the Breakout still such a top seller noting it doesn't have the M8 yet ... presumably will later this year or next.
  • paulybronco Posts: 11948
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    27 Apr 2017 08:52 PM
    Agree all manufacturers are bringing some fun toys out
  • Alcoholic Posts: 54
    Stock Poster Alcoholic
    14 Aug 2017 12:30 AM
    Posted by JFE on 27 Apr 2017 05:50 PM

    Interesting the Breakout still such a top seller noting it doesn't have the M8 yet ... presumably will later this year or next.

     

    Just about every man and his dog has a Breakout !

  • paulybronco Posts: 11948
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    14 Aug 2017 08:05 AM
    Posted by Alcoholic on 14 Aug 2017 12:30 AM
    Posted by JFE on 27 Apr 2017 05:50 PM

    Interesting the Breakout still such a top seller noting it doesn't have the M8 yet ... presumably will later this year or next.

     

    Just about every man and his dog has a Breakout !

     Harley are on to a winner with it

  • rodders Posts: 5829
    Victoria
    Forum Legend rodders
    15 Aug 2017 08:19 PM
    Am I correct in assuming bike sales includes scooters?
    If so I not surprised sales have slowed. I saw a new Vespa scooter for sale in PS Melbourne with a sticker price of....wait for it.....$10,590. WTF....its a scooter!!
  • allde Posts: 4093
    South Eastern Suburbs, Vic.
    Forum Legend allde
    15 Aug 2017 08:27 PM
    Posted by rodders on 15 Aug 2017 08:19 PM
    Am I correct in assuming bike sales includes scooters?
    If so I not surprised sales have slowed. I saw a new Vespa scooter for sale in PS Melbourne with a sticker price of....wait for it.....$10,590. WTF....its a scooter!!

     The Aprilia SRV 850 ABS/ATC go for around $15,000 USD.

  • D1cko Posts: 38
    Rockhampton
    Stock Poster D1cko
    15 Aug 2017 08:40 PM
    Posted by rodders on 15 Aug 2017 07:49 PM
    Am I correct in assuming bike sales includes scooters?
    If so I not surprised sales have slowed. I saw a new Vespa scooter for sale in PS Melbourne with a sticker price of....wait for it.....$10,590. WTF....its a scooter!!

     A repairable writeoff vesper went for $6500 last week at the auctions. I was blown away by that. 

  • paulybronco Posts: 11948
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    15 Aug 2017 08:41 PM
    Posted by allde on 15 Aug 2017 08:27 PM
    Posted by rodders on 15 Aug 2017 08:19 PM
    Am I correct in assuming bike sales includes scooters?
    If so I not surprised sales have slowed. I saw a new Vespa scooter for sale in PS Melbourne with a sticker price of....wait for it.....$10,590. WTF....its a scooter!!

     The Aprilia SRV 850 ABS/ATC go for around $15,000 USD.

     The BMW 650 scooter is REDUCED TO $15000 was $16000 plus rego

  • rodders Posts: 5829
    Victoria
    Forum Legend rodders
    15 Aug 2017 08:52 PM
    Posted by paulybronco on 15 Aug 2017 08:41 PM
    Posted by allde on 15 Aug 2017 08:27 PM
    Posted by rodders on 15 Aug 2017 08:19 PM
    Am I correct in assuming bike sales includes scooters?
    If so I not surprised sales have slowed. I saw a new Vespa scooter for sale in PS Melbourne with a sticker price of....wait for it.....$10,590. WTF....its a scooter!!

     The Aprilia SRV 850 ABS/ATC go for around $15,000 USD.

     The BMW 650 scooter is REDUCED TO $15000 was $16000 plus rego

     Vespa was a 300. Some kinda special edition. The regular 250 ones are only.....ONLY.....$8.5k.

    Can't imagine they'd sell many at those prices.

    Add a BMW badge to any thing and there is a minimum 50% price "advantage".

  • Gunsou Posts: 21
    Hanoi
    Stock Poster Gunsou
    17 Aug 2017 04:13 AM
    Sales in Asia are booming New dealers in Philippines 1  Vietnam 2  Thailand 3 shops in last 12 months  China Korea Japan 
  • paulybronco Posts: 11948
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    17 Jan 2019 06:19 PM
    Well guess its no surprise.......bike sales are down again in 2018.  Harley are down 21.2% and if it was not for breakout, 794 bikes and Street 500, 944 bikes the drop would have been much harder. And this comes hot on the heals of Harleys big hope Livewire release with everyone including the yanks that at $42k its overpriced. The very similar powered ZERO motorcycle sold in Aust for $20k and they have just pulled the pin due to being unable to sell enough bikes.
  • Smitthy Posts: 18
    Stock Poster Smitthy
    17 Jan 2019 07:33 PM
    Quoting paulybronco on 17 Jan 2019 06:19 PM
    Well guess its no surprise.......bike sales are down again in 2018.  Harley are down 21.2% and if it was not for breakout, 794 bikes and Street 500, 944 bikes the drop would have been much harder. And this comes hot on the heals of Harleys big hope Livewire release with everyone including the yanks that at $42k its overpriced. The very similar powered ZERO motorcycle sold in Aust for $20k and they have just pulled the pin due to being unable to sell enough bikes.
    Collectively how many electric vehicles would have been sold in Australia? A few thousand?

    Regarding overall bike sales, I believe the perfect storm has appeared that is impacting large bike sales.

    Lots of low km secondhand bikes on the market, this not only takes sales of new bikes but stops people upgrading due to low resales and poor trade in values.
    The classic bike scene is pretty hot, this again takes sales from new bikes..historic rego has driven some of this especially second, third bike purchases.
    The classic cars scene, easy sell to the missus as the “family” can take part.
    Shit dealer experience. HD, BMW and Indian are OK but the other brands are mostly dismal.


  • paulybronco Posts: 11948
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    17 Jan 2019 08:37 PM
    Quoting paulybronco on 17 Jan 2019 06:19 PM
    Well guess its no surprise.......bike sales are down again in 2018.  Harley are down 21.2% and if it was not for breakout, 794 bikes and Street 500, 944 bikes the drop would have been much harder. And this comes hot on the heals of Harleys big hope Livewire release with everyone including the yanks that at $42k its overpriced. The very similar powered ZERO motorcycle sold in Aust for $20k and they have just pulled the pin due to being unable to sell enough bikes.
    Quoting Smitthy on 17 Jan 2019 07:33 PM
    Collectively how many electric vehicles would have been sold in Australia? A few thousand?

    Regarding overall bike sales, I believe the perfect storm has appeared that is impacting large bike sales.

    Lots of low km secondhand bikes on the market, this not only takes sales of new bikes but stops people upgrading due to low resales and poor trade in values.
    The classic bike scene is pretty hot, this again takes sales from new bikes..historic rego has driven some of this especially second, third bike purchases.
    The classic cars scene, easy sell to the missus as the “family” can take part.
    Shit dealer experience. HD, BMW and Indian are OK but the other brands are mostly dismal.


    I would have put the HD Dealers in the dismal basket but there are a few good ones. The local Triumph dealer sold 6 new bikes in December and they were top QLD dealer.....WOW!
  • Smitthy Posts: 18
    Stock Poster Smitthy
    17 Jan 2019 09:22 PM
    Quoting paulybronco on 17 Jan 2019 06:19 PM
    Well guess its no surprise.......bike sales are down again in 2018.  Harley are down 21.2% and if it was not for breakout, 794 bikes and Street 500, 944 bikes the drop would have been much harder. And this comes hot on the heals of Harleys big hope Livewire release with everyone including the yanks that at $42k its overpriced. The very similar powered ZERO motorcycle sold in Aust for $20k and they have just pulled the pin due to being unable to sell enough bikes.
    Quoting Smitthy on 17 Jan 2019 07:33 PM
    Collectively how many electric vehicles would have been sold in Australia? A few thousand?

    Regarding overall bike sales, I believe the perfect storm has appeared that is impacting large bike sales.

    Lots of low km secondhand bikes on the market, this not only takes sales of new bikes but stops people upgrading due to low resales and poor trade in values.
    The classic bike scene is pretty hot, this again takes sales from new bikes..historic rego has driven some of this especially second, third bike purchases.
    The classic cars scene, easy sell to the missus as the “family” can take part.
    Shit dealer experience. HD, BMW and Indian are OK but the other brands are mostly dismal.


    Quoting paulybronco on 17 Jan 2019 08:37 PM
    I would have put the HD Dealers in the dismal basket but there are a few good ones. The local Triumph dealer sold 6 new bikes in December and they were top QLD dealer.....WOW!
    Happy to add the Bunnings of the bike shops to the dud list and they do have HD dealerships aparently made in Heaven. 

    Also a vic HD dealer told me last week they would be making a loss for 2018..first time ever in 8 years of trading. Nothing moving and this is a good dealership.

    That Triumph volume is definitely a Wow...how long can they and more so the other dealers keep that up.
    The vic country Triumph dealer in Bendigo went tits up a few years back as well..a mate and I actually enquired about the business as it was for sale..Triumph, KTM and Suzuki..if I remember correctly about $500K was required to pay for stock, lease and name and as it was losing $100K a year no finance mob would touch it. 




  • paulybronco Posts: 11948
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    17 Jan 2019 09:27 PM
    Quoting Smitthy on 17 Jan 2019 07:33 PM
    Collectively how many electric vehicles would have been sold in Australia? A few thousand?

    Regarding overall bike sales, I believe the perfect storm has appeared that is impacting large bike sales.

    Lots of low km secondhand bikes on the market, this not only takes sales of new bikes but stops people upgrading due to low resales and poor trade in values.
    The classic bike scene is pretty hot, this again takes sales from new bikes..historic rego has driven some of this especially second, third bike purchases.
    The classic cars scene, easy sell to the missus as the “family” can take part.
    Shit dealer experience. HD, BMW and Indian are OK but the other brands are mostly dismal.


    Quoting paulybronco on 17 Jan 2019 08:37 PM
    I would have put the HD Dealers in the dismal basket but there are a few good ones. The local Triumph dealer sold 6 new bikes in December and they were top QLD dealer.....WOW!
    Quoting Smitthy on 17 Jan 2019 09:22 PM
    Happy to add the Bunnings of the bike shops to the dud list and they do have HD dealerships aparently made in Heaven. 

    Also a vic HD dealer told me last week they would be making a loss for 2018..first time ever in 8 years of trading. Nothing moving and this is a good dealership.

    That Triumph volume is definitely a Wow...how long can they and more so the other dealers keep that up.
    The vic country Triumph dealer in Bendigo went tits up a few years back as well..a mate and I actually enquired about the business as it was for sale..Triumph, KTM and Suzuki..if I remember correctly about $500K was required to pay for stock, lease and name and as it was losing $100K a year no finance mob would touch it. 




    This Dealer does Triumph, Ducati, Suzuki and Can Am, and Jet Ski s . and Aprillia
  • Smitthy Posts: 18
    Stock Poster Smitthy
    17 Jan 2019 09:39 PM
    Quoting paulybronco on 17 Jan 2019 08:37 PM
    I would have put the HD Dealers in the dismal basket but there are a few good ones. The local Triumph dealer sold 6 new bikes in December and they were top QLD dealer.....WOW!
    Quoting Smitthy on 17 Jan 2019 09:22 PM
    Happy to add the Bunnings of the bike shops to the dud list and they do have HD dealerships aparently made in Heaven. 

    Also a vic HD dealer told me last week they would be making a loss for 2018..first time ever in 8 years of trading. Nothing moving and this is a good dealership.

    That Triumph volume is definitely a Wow...how long can they and more so the other dealers keep that up.
    The vic country Triumph dealer in Bendigo went tits up a few years back as well..a mate and I actually enquired about the business as it was for sale..Triumph, KTM and Suzuki..if I remember correctly about $500K was required to pay for stock, lease and name and as it was losing $100K a year no finance mob would touch it. 




    Quoting paulybronco on 17 Jan 2019 09:27 PM
    This Dealer does Triumph, Ducati, Suzuki and Can Am, and Jet Ski s . and Aprillia
    I recon thats part of the sales problem, multi bike brand shops are not too bad, but we have a local Honda, Suzuki and KTM dealer who sells other crap like chain saws and mowers..not the most inspired place to hand over $20K + on a new toy.
    I do understand the cost of keeping the doors open does mean that alot of business need to diversify.
  • paulybronco Posts: 11948
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    17 Jan 2019 09:50 PM
    Quoting Smitthy on 17 Jan 2019 09:22 PM
    Happy to add the Bunnings of the bike shops to the dud list and they do have HD dealerships aparently made in Heaven. 

    Also a vic HD dealer told me last week they would be making a loss for 2018..first time ever in 8 years of trading. Nothing moving and this is a good dealership.

    That Triumph volume is definitely a Wow...how long can they and more so the other dealers keep that up.
    The vic country Triumph dealer in Bendigo went tits up a few years back as well..a mate and I actually enquired about the business as it was for sale..Triumph, KTM and Suzuki..if I remember correctly about $500K was required to pay for stock, lease and name and as it was losing $100K a year no finance mob would touch it. 




    Quoting paulybronco on 17 Jan 2019 09:27 PM
    This Dealer does Triumph, Ducati, Suzuki and Can Am, and Jet Ski s . and Aprillia
    Quoting Smitthy on 17 Jan 2019 09:39 PM
    I recon thats part of the sales problem, multi bike brand shops are not too bad, but we have a local Honda, Suzuki and KTM dealer who sells other crap like chain saws and mowers..not the most inspired place to hand over $20K + on a new toy.
    I do understand the cost of keeping the doors open does mean that alot of business need to diversify.
    Single franchise dealerships are very tough to make a quid
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