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  • allde Posts: 4021
    South Eastern Suburbs, Victori
    Forum Legend allde
    29 May 2017 02:54 PM
    Posted by Geoff3DMN on 27 May 2017 07:08 PM
    Posted by allde on 27 May 2017 06:00 PM
    Posted by punkin on 27 May 2017 04:06 PM
    I'm positive it's not about resale value but about build quality (well it is related). But anyway it has nothing to do with me.

     I agree with punkin, e.g. When one buys a VW car, why is the price the same if it was built in Germany or China?

    The quality and finish will be more superior with the car built in Germany.

    e.g. Also similar thing with the Honda mowers, same price if built in China or Japan, yet the Chinese motors are crap.

     

    In order of your comments;

    The cars aren't the same price (in Australia) when built in Germany vs China (if we only got German built ones then the non german built models would be more expensive).

    VW claim (and have independent testing results) that the average quality of cars from their various plants is actually very similar.

    A lot of the Chinese 'Hondas' are actually copies badged as Honda but not actually built in by Honda to Honda specifications (and yes those ones are crap), think about it, you wouldn't buy a Rolex watch knock off and expect it to actually work as well as a real Rolex, why expect a knock off Honda to work the same as a real one.

    "VW claim (and have independent testing results) that the average quality of cars from their various plants is actually very similar."

    This would be the same VW that was cheating pollution emissions tests in the US yes?

    So we know how much their claims are worth.


    NO, the Authorised Honda motors built in China are crap, ask anyone in the industry and they'll let you know.

    http://engines.honda.com/oem-resources/manufacturing-locations


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    * It's just a picture with humour, don't take it seriously.
  • paulybronco Posts: 7771
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    29 May 2017 02:59 PM
    Posted by paulybronco on 29 May 2017 02:54 PM
    Posted by spacewolf on 29 May 2017 02:13 PM
    Posted by paulybronco on 29 May 2017 01:52 PM
    Posted by spacewolf on 29 May 2017 01:44 PM
    Does anyone know where the Thai built triumphs are sold? As in which markets they are shipped to?

    ...that'll likely answer your question as to where the Thai HD's will go.

     I am not sure they produce complete bikes in Thailand rather it is used as a component supplier.

     <shrugs>

    Just going off a quick google it would appear so:

    http://www.triumphrat.net/air-cooled-twins-talk/81975-where-is-my-triumph-made.html

    The source is a RAT forum, but seems to be a credible poster in amongst the thread. Note that the VIN identifier does not disclose which market the bike is destined for, only the plant it was assembled in.

    I'd be very surprised if HD did not follow a similar pattern/process/strategy.

    If anyone's worried about quality I guess the best way to check that is to google something like triumph thailand bike recalls or bike faults or quality issues and see what comes up.

    In the end all these companies need to make money to appease shareholders. Provided they deliver on quality, performance and appearance and keep their general customer base (for the most part) content, then going to cheaper (in labour terms) manufacturing countries will more and more become par for the course.

     Interesting but it is/was my belief they only did certain components there, a little like Harley who gets different manufactures to produce things on their behalf.

     I am aware that HD both manufacture bikes in India and Brazil so would not be surprised to see triumph go offshore

  • spacewolf Posts: 145
    Stock Poster spacewolf
    29 May 2017 03:11 PM
    HD in India and Brazil usually get CKD kits to dodge the expensive tariffs in those countries. So they are kind of assembly only plants I guess with limited tooling required.

    Triumph in Thailand make full bikes now:
    In May 2002, Triumph began construction on a new sub-assembly manufacturing facility in Chonburi, Thailand to make various components.[6] A second factory was opened in 2006 by Prince Andrew, Duke of York where a wet painting facility and assembly line have been established.[6][7] A third factory was opened in 2007 to include high pressure die-casting and machining, and Triumph announced that they were expanding to increase capacity to over 130,000 motorcycles.[8] Triumph Motorcycles (Thailand) Limited is a 100% UK owned company and now employs about 1000 staff.[6]

    Source:
    They are making full bikes there, as is Ducati, Kawasaki and Honda.
    Source:

    In the end it doesn't really matter - everything is QC'd usually by OEM staff and strict controlling. As I mentioned earlier, if anyone's worried about it, do a quick google on failing bikes that were made from these countries of origin.
  • Jayman6 Posts: 726
    Gold Coast QLD
    Performance Poster Jayman6
    29 May 2017 07:16 PM
    The BMW GS650 engines are manufactured by Loncin in China, for what it's worth. The same company that build cheap shitty dirt bikes. 
  • Hound_Dog Posts: 1789
    Motor Head Hound_Dog
    03 Jun 2017 12:02 PM
    Posted by spacewolf on 29 May 2017 02:41 PM
    HD in India and Brazil usually get CKD kits to dodge the expensive tariffs in those countries. So they are kind of assembly only plants I guess with limited tooling required.

    Triumph in Thailand make full bikes now:
    In May 2002, Triumph began construction on a new sub-assembly manufacturing facility in Chonburi, Thailand to make various components.[6] A second factory was opened in 2006 by Prince Andrew, Duke of York where a wet painting facility and assembly line have been established.[6][7] A third factory was opened in 2007 to include high pressure die-casting and machining, and Triumph announced that they were expanding to increase capacity to over 130,000 motorcycles.[8] Triumph Motorcycles (Thailand) Limited is a 100% UK owned company and now employs about 1000 staff.[6]

    Source:
    They are making full bikes there, as is Ducati, Kawasaki and Honda.
    Source:

    In the end it doesn't really matter - everything is QC'd usually by OEM staff and strict controlling. As I mentioned earlier, if anyone's worried about it, do a quick google on failing bikes that were made from these countries of origin.

     


    This. Countries such as Malaysia for example have extremely high tariffs on imported vehicles and bikes. CKD or SKD are ways around some of these issues. For example, a new Harley CVO SG could be RM250K+...taking into account local salaries, this would be like the same bike costing a quarter of a million dollars in OZ.


  • Adz69 Posts: 179
    Central Coast NSW
    Stock Poster Adz69
    18 Jun 2017 07:50 AM
    Posted by fatbat on 25 May 2017 09:46 PM
    I was in Sydney the other week and felt like I was in Asia 

     I agree with that. I was walking down George street in the city and couldn't help but wonder if Asia was nearly deserted by now...every fucker seems to be here!

  • punkin Posts: 281
    Stage 1 Poster punkin
    18 Jun 2017 09:04 AM
    I'll be in Beijing in 2 weeks. I assure you it is anything but deserted.
  • Adz69 Posts: 179
    Central Coast NSW
    Stock Poster Adz69
    18 Jun 2017 03:21 PM
    Posted by punkin on 18 Jun 2017 08:34 AM
    I'll be in Beijing in 2 weeks. I assure you it is anything but deserted.

     I can imagine. 

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