"Torx" and "Torx-Plus"

  • 009jim
    009jim
    6 years ago
    hi Gents, I've noted from other posts that my 2008 sportster uses both conventional "torx" bolt heads, as well as the rarer "torxplus". Can anyone tell me whether all of them are torx-plus, or whether there are some of each type. If the latter, then which ones do I need in the "torx-plus" type? Is it just the larger ones? I have a set of torx bits going up to about T27 or somewhere, but there are other much larger ones e.g. rear shockies, fork triple clamps.
  • Muzza Wa
    Muzza Wa
    6 years ago
    Hi Jim, I'm probably not going to answer your question, however, you did pique my interest in what the hell the difference between the two types of torx and torx plus bolts might be, and you are not the first to post this question. It would not surprise me that we might have both types on our bikes, given that my Fatboy Lo has both metric and imperial Allen bolts on it (I am first owner so I know it came from factory like that). Anyhow, I digress, I did a search on the difference between the two and Wikipedia came up with the below description of the torx plus bolts :-

    A Torx successor, Torx Plus, was introduced about 1990 when the original Torx patent was expiring. The lobes are more square to allow for higher torque and to minimize wear. The name is shortened to IP (Internal Plus) with sizes ranging from 1IP to 100IP [11] (sometimes listed as IP1 to IP100 [12]) and EP (External Plus) with sizes ranging from 1EP to 42EP as well as smaller sizes ranging from H7EP to H2EP and includes five-lobed tamper-resistant variants.[11] The specifications for these licenses are held by Textron. Standard Torx drivers can be used to drive Torx Plus screws, but not to full torque because of the loose fit. Torx Plus drivers will not fit into standard Torx screws.

    The link, if you are interested is :- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torx. 
  • 009jim
    009jim
    6 years ago
    Nobody has answered my question. I guess very few people know. I know one guy who told me that he just used Torx on everything and they were "a bit loose". Something like the triple clamps on the front forks - I would think people would want to make sure they were done up securely.
  • STEAMER
    STEAMER
    6 years ago
    Jim, By saying Torx Plus, are you referring to Torx antitheft, ( the ones that have the nipple in middle) , I bought a set of each.  Only because they were on special at Repco. But could probably get away with just the anti theft Torx keys
  • steelo
    steelo
    6 years ago
    I've made the mistake of using the security versions on non sec screws and had the end shear off. 
  • graz
    graz
    6 years ago
    Bugger. Didn't know there was two types. Same problem when some seem to not quite fit correctly. Looks like Repco might have a few customers today.
  • Kingchops
    Kingchops
    6 years ago
    Funny how they call them "Torx" bolts, but in places where they need real torque they use hex bolts.  When I was installing the detachable mounts for my back rest, I noticed the default bolts were torx but the replacements were hex.
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    6 years ago
    bit more research,ribe are also known as polydrive,the bolts /screws they fit are common in european cars.
  • Baloffski
    Baloffski
    6 years ago
    Sometimes I'm a barstead but most of the time I'm a learning barstead. I have taken the Torx shit on all parts I dislodge from Black Bitch and replaced with mr.Philips s/s/washers to suit. and locking tite if required bugga Mr.Torx.