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  • Nutty Posts: 298
    Stage 1 Poster Nutty
    31 Jan 2019 09:09 PM
    "I mentioned this to a dealer here in Perth and was told yes, weve had one do this but it was impossible for this to occur via the clutch pushrod tunnel..."

    Helloooo, there is no other orifice joining the primary to the gearbox. 

    We seemed to have cured this issue  on a few high HP bikes we've played with. Three mods will cure it:
    1) oversized pushrod
    2) vent loop, primary to shift fork hat to trap door.
    3) machined trough in trap door to allow S/C cavity to drain to gearbox void. 
    The issue is this IMO, gear oil gets into the S/C cavity through the support bearing, bearing movement  creates oil turbidity, pressurising and expanding oil in the S/C cavity whereby it migrates into the primary. Pulling the clutch all the way in makes the issue worse because the entire oil load in the S/C cavity is forced into the primary. 


  • SquALeD Posts: 71
    Stock Poster SquALeD
    09 Oct 2019 08:17 PM
    Apologies for resurrecting an oold thread but thought Id post an update..bikes had zero transfer issues all year since I first posted...

    But....Its that time again! Time for the 8000k round trip to Phillip Island that caused the issue last year. 

    I talked to Greg Williams the other month about the trip and he sent me an updated version of his pushrod to try..Its in the bike right now..

    We will see what happens..,

  • Neale Posts: 433
    Richmond NSW
    Stage 1 Poster Neale
    11 Oct 2019 06:21 PM
    Interesting .......my heritage 114 has 5,000 kms on her, checked it last weekend, nothing bad to report. All levels are correct.
    Am I alone on this?
  • Grease Monkey Posts: 848
    Performance Poster Grease Monkey
    11 Oct 2019 07:10 PM
    Quoting Neale on 11 Oct 2019 06:21 PM
    Interesting .......my heritage 114 has 5,000 kms on her, checked it last weekend, nothing bad to report. All levels are correct.
    Am I alone on this?
    Its a tourer issue Neale, cable clutch don't do it, stopping the transfer is an easy fix anyway, Harley won't do it properly but a proper fix has been worked out for quite awhile, the only issue you may have is sumping, but to date I can't pin down a softail M8 that has even thought the MoCo admit they could. Or rather they did and now it never happened. Wouldn't put me off buying one of I was in the market.
  • Oz Dan Posts: 314
    QLD
    Stage 1 Poster Oz Dan
    11 Oct 2019 09:53 PM
    As above, it’s a hydraulic clutch issue only, so not applicable to M8 softails Neale. In regard to potential sumping, there is a new 8 lobe pump (MY20) which scavenges 40% better than the previous version......looks to be the winner so far. It’s available as a kit, part #62400247.......I’m getting it installed Monday at Wackers - haven’t had sumping issues,  purely preventative insurance. 

    PS - part number not listed on public HD website yet but dealers can look up and order ($226)......they have em in Sydney if anyone wants to get on board.
  • Neale Posts: 433
    Richmond NSW
    Stage 1 Poster Neale
    12 Oct 2019 02:21 PM
    Thanks guys.
  • awaba Posts: 44
    Australia
    Stock Poster awaba
    12 Oct 2019 06:57 PM
    Be interested to see how the new pump goes Oz Dan.
    I have a 17 107 SGS and the original oil pump, from what I'm reading it is adequate,adequate isn't good enough really.
    I have the version 2 of the Williams rod and no sign of transfer since I fitted it and a dealer fitted primary vent,
    My bike had a history of transfer and the dealer fitted the vent at no cost to me so I thought why not,nothing to lose
  • Oz Dan Posts: 314
    QLD
    Stage 1 Poster Oz Dan
    12 Oct 2019 11:36 PM
    Quoting awaba on 12 Oct 2019 06:57 PM
    Be interested to see how the new pump goes Oz Dan.
    I have a 17 107 SGS and the original oil pump, from what I'm reading it is adequate,adequate isn't good enough really.
    I have the version 2 of the Williams rod and no sign of transfer since I fitted it and a dealer fitted primary vent,
    My bike had a history of transfer and the dealer fitted the vent at no cost to me so I thought why not,nothing to lose
    Mate I haven’t had transfer or sumping but I love my M8 king....I’m keeping it till I can’t stand up, which is why I’m doing proactive preventative maintenance .....after a fun twin cam, this is a wicked bit of kit which is miles ahead....and if it wasn’t for fn internet forums it would still be stock lol. But here we are.....I too have the Williams Mk11 and I’m doing the 8 lobe - I figure if it scavenges 44% better and I had no dramas with the original pump I gotta be gold with it.....I guess what I’m saying is there will be likely nothing to report.....didn’t have issues pre, surely won’t moving forward. 
  • Oz Dan Posts: 314
    QLD
    Stage 1 Poster Oz Dan
    19 Oct 2019 09:21 PM
    Quoting awaba on 12 Oct 2019 06:57 PM
    Be interested to see how the new pump goes Oz Dan.
    I have a 17 107 SGS and the original oil pump, from what I'm reading it is adequate,adequate isn't good enough really.
    I have the version 2 of the Williams rod and no sign of transfer since I fitted it and a dealer fitted primary vent,
    My bike had a history of transfer and the dealer fitted the vent at no cost to me so I thought why not,nothing to lose
    .....just answering here as I was asked.....anyhow, got my new pump fitted.....once they were in the cam chest, Wackers noticed excessive wear on the cam lobes and lifters, suspect pump maybe wasn’t doing it’s job as it should.......so I got the job done on my extended warranty, new cam and lifters fitted, although I still paid for the new pump......it still worked and it wasn’t certain it was the issue......and after all, Harley lifters have been crap for years.....I was just happy to have it done for under $200.....but for those with an original MY17 pump, it might be prudent to get the new 8 lobe fitted, especially if you’re adding a cam....
  • Grease Monkey Posts: 848
    Performance Poster Grease Monkey
    20 Oct 2019 09:46 AM
    Onya Dan, good you caught it before it started making metal.
  • Oz Dan Posts: 314
    QLD
    Stage 1 Poster Oz Dan
    20 Oct 2019 09:42 PM
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 20 Oct 2019 09:46 AM
    Onya Dan, good you caught it before it started making metal.
    My thought precisely.....would have gone bad before anything got better.
  • WideglidingNZ Posts: 189
    Stock Poster WideglidingNZ
    21 Oct 2019 04:47 AM
    Quoting Oz Dan on 11 Oct 2019 09:53 PMedited: 12 Oct 2019 11:29 AM
    As above, it’s a hydraulic clutch issue only, so not applicable to M8 softails Neale. In regard to potential sumping, there is a new 8 lobe pump (MY20) which scavenges 40% better than the previous version......looks to be the winner so far. It’s available as a kit, part #62400247.......I’m getting it installed Monday at Wackers - haven’t had sumping issues,  purely preventative insurance. 

    PS - part number not listed on public HD website yet but dealers can look up and order ($226)......they have em in Sydney if anyone wants to get on board.
    So hopefully these (MY20) 8 lobe pumps will be in the 2020 model Harley's?
  • Oz Dan Posts: 314
    QLD
    Stage 1 Poster Oz Dan
    21 Oct 2019 07:03 AM
    Quoting Oz Dan on 11 Oct 2019 09:53 PMedited: 12 Oct 2019 11:29 AM
    As above, it’s a hydraulic clutch issue only, so not applicable to M8 softails Neale. In regard to potential sumping, there is a new 8 lobe pump (MY20) which scavenges 40% better than the previous version......looks to be the winner so far. It’s available as a kit, part #62400247.......I’m getting it installed Monday at Wackers - haven’t had sumping issues,  purely preventative insurance. 

    PS - part number not listed on public HD website yet but dealers can look up and order ($226)......they have em in Sydney if anyone wants to get on board.
    Quoting WideglidingNZ on 21 Oct 2019 04:47 AM
    So hopefully these (MY20) 8 lobe pumps will be in the 2020 model Harley's?
    Yes they are
  • SquALeD Posts: 71
    Stock Poster SquALeD
    22 Oct 2019 10:24 PM
    Just an update on my trans transfer..

    Fucking thing sumped at Penong...Had to get RAC to Adelaide

    FML... Harley Heaven have it right now...Hire car to phillip island for me then a plane to perth ..fak!


  • Grease Monkey Posts: 848
    Performance Poster Grease Monkey
    24 Oct 2019 01:22 PM
    That sucks mate, any update? 
  • leachy Posts: 166
    Stock Poster leachy
    24 Oct 2019 01:26 PM
    Quoting SquALeD on 22 Oct 2019 10:24 PMedited: 22 Oct 2019 10:28 PM
    Just an update on my trans transfer..

    Fucking thing sumped at Penong...Had to get RAC to Adelaide

    FML... Harley Heaven have it right now...Hire car to phillip island for me then a plane to perth ..fak!


    Are Harley contributing to all your out of pocket expenses?

    Id be really pissed.

    Leachy  
  • steelo Posts: 2730
    Adelaide
    Forum Legend steelo
    24 Oct 2019 02:24 PM
    Very sorry to hear squaled!!
  • Oz Dan Posts: 314
    QLD
    Stage 1 Poster Oz Dan
    24 Oct 2019 09:38 PM
    Fuck sorry to hear that Squa....if you pulled up in good time likely no damage......would piss me off no end but you will get the new pump which we all hope will make this issue history. 

    All the best brother.
  • awaba Posts: 44
    Australia
    Stock Poster awaba
    27 Oct 2019 01:48 PM
    Quoting SquALeD on 22 Oct 2019 10:24 PMedited: 22 Oct 2019 10:28 PM
    Just an update on my trans transfer..

    Fucking thing sumped at Penong...Had to get RAC to Adelaide

    FML... Harley Heaven have it right now...Hire car to phillip island for me then a plane to perth ..fak!


    Hope all is good SquALeD
    Hopefully you shut it down in time.

  • awaba Posts: 44
    Australia
    Stock Poster awaba
    27 Oct 2019 02:01 PM
    Quoting awaba on 12 Oct 2019 06:57 PM
    Be interested to see how the new pump goes Oz Dan.
    I have a 17 107 SGS and the original oil pump, from what I'm reading it is adequate,adequate isn't good enough really.
    I have the version 2 of the Williams rod and no sign of transfer since I fitted it and a dealer fitted primary vent,
    My bike had a history of transfer and the dealer fitted the vent at no cost to me so I thought why not,nothing to lose
    Quoting Oz Dan on 19 Oct 2019 09:21 PMedited: 19 Oct 2019 09:23 PM
    .....just answering here as I was asked.....anyhow, got my new pump fitted.....once they were in the cam chest, Wackers noticed excessive wear on the cam lobes and lifters, suspect pump maybe wasn’t doing it’s job as it should.......so I got the job done on my extended warranty, new cam and lifters fitted, although I still paid for the new pump......it still worked and it wasn’t certain it was the issue......and after all, Harley lifters have been crap for years.....I was just happy to have it done for under $200.....but for those with an original MY17 pump, it might be prudent to get the new 8 lobe fitted, especially if you’re adding a cam....
    Thanks Oz Dan,I agree to fit the later oil pump,I have been suss on the original oil pump that was fitted in the 2017 107 for a while

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