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  • B0GN Posts: 248
    South Oz
    Stock Poster B0GN
    21 May 2018 09:57 AM
    Damn!! Well at least it’s the cold wet months ;-)
  • steelo Posts: 1877
    Adelaide foothills SA
    Motor Head steelo
    21 May 2018 01:42 PM
    Yes I'm sorry about the whole James brown thing. I was looking for somewhere to post and LB's was the most recent thread.
  • Ratbob Posts: 347
    Adelaide Hills
    Stage 1 Poster Ratbob
    21 May 2018 01:48 PM
    Posted by chinashop bull on 21 May 2018 01:21 PM
    Posted by Ratbob on 20 May 2018 12:41 AM
    Well Kingchops, you don’t need to worry about changing the forum. So far it’s a Honda’s Africa Twin, mileage as a big issue cause we don’t like pulling into pubs at every chance,  Kevinc’s great coment about adventure bikes needing to be modified, (hey cause we never do that with Harleys), suspension travel (not a real big Harley topic), mid range tourque, duh, Aust sales stats, a Honda Bagger option, then somehow James Brown, the Queen and that Camilla Parker Bowles bint. Somehow at the end, buying an Africa Twin to get away from it all seems to make sense.

     Are you feeling a little insecure mate?


     Damn, think you’ve got me China, but you gotta love the diversity in one post.

  • boxa Posts: 585
    Performance Poster boxa
    26 May 2018 04:12 AM
    What tyres do you run on these adventure bikes you've had Lofty , do you just use what they come with or change to a prefered brand , I assume you ride on the road until you get to the dirt stuff .

  • LOFTYBOB Posts: 3640
    Strength in Unity
    Forum Legend LOFTYBOB
    26 May 2018 07:29 PM
    Posted by boxa on 26 May 2018 03:42 AM
    What tyres do you run on these adventure bikes you've had Lofty , do you just use what they come with or change to a prefered brand , I assume you ride on the road until you get to the dirt stuff .

     Depends on where I am going, but these new 50/50 MOTOZ Tractionators are looking and working really well.

    Cheaper than Heidenau K60 scouts, last longer, and grip better on bitumen both wet and dry.

    Work really well in gravel/dirt, and ok in sand as long as you let the pressures down.




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  • bloodog Posts: 1246
    Alice Springs NT
    Performance Poster bloodog
    27 May 2018 10:00 AM
     
  • bloodog Posts: 1246
    Alice Springs NT
    Performance Poster bloodog
    27 May 2018 10:01 AM
    Posted by LOFTYBOB on 19 May 2018 05:35 PM
    My last trip North to the Flinders Ranges convinced me I needed a bike with a lot bigger fuel range.
    So I went out and did a deal on one of these just released Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sports.
    Over 500 km's between fills, should get me where I want to go.

    HD Forums Australia - Africa Twin.jpg
    Pick it up next week.


     WOW awesome bike 500k range 

    North to the Flinders Ranges, Nice one Lofty 

    I have rode every dirt and sealed road through them there hills 

    "Hows the smell" yu never forget the smell of the flinders rangers 

     A very small problem with trials tyres is mud will stay in the grooves and give you a slick 

  • rodders Posts: 5544
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    Forum Legend rodders
    04 Jun 2018 08:01 PM
    Quoting John.R on 20 May 2018 02:19 PM
    A bloke I met was fucked over by Honda and nearly paralyzed from the first gen Africa twin.

    Suspension link failed on an erosion mound at 40-50kmh and sent full force through his spine. 

    No warranty or compensation because it wasnt using the OEM brand tyres.


    I call bull shit on that statement about the tyres. If the tyres were of the correct size and profile then they can't restrict you to OEM brand. That would be anti-competitive.
  • rodders Posts: 5544
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    Forum Legend rodders
    04 Jun 2018 08:02 PM
    Quoting LOFTYBOB on 19 May 2018 05:35 PM
    My last trip North to the Flinders Ranges convinced me I needed a bike with a lot bigger fuel range.
    So I went out and did a deal on one of these just released Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sports.
    Over 500 km's between fills, should get me where I want to go.

    HD Forums Australia - Africa Twin.jpg
    Pick it up next week.


    Nice lookin bike Lofty. What are you doing for luggage?
  • LOFTYBOB Posts: 3640
    Strength in Unity
    Forum Legend LOFTYBOB
    05 Jun 2018 11:58 AM
    Quoting LOFTYBOB on 19 May 2018 05:35 PM
    My last trip North to the Flinders Ranges convinced me I needed a bike with a lot bigger fuel range.
    So I went out and did a deal on one of these just released Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sports.
    Over 500 km's between fills, should get me where I want to go.

    HD Forums Australia - Africa Twin.jpg
    Pick it up next week.


    Quoting rodders on 04 Jun 2018 08:02 PM
    Nice lookin bike Lofty. What are you doing for luggage?
    GIVI Treckers like what I had on the Triumph, light and strong.
  • John.R Posts: 251
    Stage 1 Poster John.R
    06 Jun 2018 11:20 PM
    Quoting John.R on 20 May 2018 02:19 PM
    A bloke I met was fucked over by Honda and nearly paralyzed from the first gen Africa twin.

    Suspension link failed on an erosion mound at 40-50kmh and sent full force through his spine. 

    No warranty or compensation because it wasnt using the OEM brand tyres.


    Quoting rodders on 04 Jun 2018 08:01 PM
    I call bull shit on that statement about the tyres. If the tyres were of the correct size and profile then they can't restrict you to OEM brand. That would be anti-competitive.
    Stated super clearly in the manual re tyres. 
    Not sure they were 100% identical to OEM spec, but were normal suitable adventure tyres. And certainly not the cause of a complete shock failure 

    Honda flew an engineer from Japan to inspect it (and likely make notes to update it, which they did)

    Honda knocked warranty on the head and compo on the head (he had a few fused vertebrae or something now).

    Next step was to have a certified  motorcycling engineer prove the tyres made fk a difference to the failure. Strangely enough they were all on retainers to Honda and nobody could do it. 30k down the drain and no riding again .

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/act/kambah-organ-recipient-terry-cunningham-says-thanks-on-donatelife-day-20171116-gzmwic.html
  • LOFTYBOB Posts: 3640
    Strength in Unity
    Forum Legend LOFTYBOB
    07 Jun 2018 09:20 AM
    Quoting John.R on 20 May 2018 02:19 PM
    A bloke I met was fucked over by Honda and nearly paralyzed from the first gen Africa twin.

    Suspension link failed on an erosion mound at 40-50kmh and sent full force through his spine. 

    No warranty or compensation because it wasnt using the OEM brand tyres.


    Quoting rodders on 04 Jun 2018 08:01 PM
    I call bull shit on that statement about the tyres. If the tyres were of the correct size and profile then they can't restrict you to OEM brand. That would be anti-competitive.
    Quoting John.R on 06 Jun 2018 11:20 PMedited: 06 Jun 2018 11:26 PM
    Stated super clearly in the manual re tyres. 
    Not sure they were 100% identical to OEM spec, but were normal suitable adventure tyres. And certainly not the cause of a complete shock failure 

    Honda flew an engineer from Japan to inspect it (and likely make notes to update it, which they did)

    Honda knocked warranty on the head and compo on the head (he had a few fused vertebrae or something now).

    Next step was to have a certified  motorcycling engineer prove the tyres made fk a difference to the failure. Strangely enough they were all on retainers to Honda and nobody could do it. 30k down the drain and no riding again .

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/act/kambah-organ-recipient-terry-cunningham-says-thanks-on-donatelife-day-20171116-gzmwic.html
    There must be a lawyer that will take Honda apart.
    First I have heard of a failure like this, and there are thousands of these bikes being hammered and raced in desert races around the world with no failures reported.
    Hope he recovers well.
  • paulybronco Posts: 9796
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    07 Jun 2018 01:23 PM
    Quoting John.R on 20 May 2018 02:19 PM
    A bloke I met was fucked over by Honda and nearly paralyzed from the first gen Africa twin.

    Suspension link failed on an erosion mound at 40-50kmh and sent full force through his spine. 

    No warranty or compensation because it wasnt using the OEM brand tyres.


    Quoting rodders on 04 Jun 2018 08:01 PM
    I call bull shit on that statement about the tyres. If the tyres were of the correct size and profile then they can't restrict you to OEM brand. That would be anti-competitive.
    Quoting John.R on 06 Jun 2018 11:20 PMedited: 06 Jun 2018 11:26 PM
    Stated super clearly in the manual re tyres. 
    Not sure they were 100% identical to OEM spec, but were normal suitable adventure tyres. And certainly not the cause of a complete shock failure 

    Honda flew an engineer from Japan to inspect it (and likely make notes to update it, which they did)

    Honda knocked warranty on the head and compo on the head (he had a few fused vertebrae or something now).

    Next step was to have a certified  motorcycling engineer prove the tyres made fk a difference to the failure. Strangely enough they were all on retainers to Honda and nobody could do it. 30k down the drain and no riding again .

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/act/kambah-organ-recipient-terry-cunningham-says-thanks-on-donatelife-day-20171116-gzmwic.html
    So do we have any idea if a tyre failure was the cause of the shock failure or the shock failed first causing the rear to collapse ?
  • John.R Posts: 251
    Stage 1 Poster John.R
    07 Jun 2018 02:04 PM
    Quoting rodders on 04 Jun 2018 08:01 PM
    I call bull shit on that statement about the tyres. If the tyres were of the correct size and profile then they can't restrict you to OEM brand. That would be anti-competitive.
    Quoting John.R on 06 Jun 2018 11:20 PMedited: 06 Jun 2018 11:26 PM
    Stated super clearly in the manual re tyres. 
    Not sure they were 100% identical to OEM spec, but were normal suitable adventure tyres. And certainly not the cause of a complete shock failure 

    Honda flew an engineer from Japan to inspect it (and likely make notes to update it, which they did)

    Honda knocked warranty on the head and compo on the head (he had a few fused vertebrae or something now).

    Next step was to have a certified  motorcycling engineer prove the tyres made fk a difference to the failure. Strangely enough they were all on retainers to Honda and nobody could do it. 30k down the drain and no riding again .

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/act/kambah-organ-recipient-terry-cunningham-says-thanks-on-donatelife-day-20171116-gzmwic.html
    Quoting LOFTYBOB on 07 Jun 2018 09:20 AM
    There must be a lawyer that will take Honda apart.
    First I have heard of a failure like this, and there are thousands of these bikes being hammered and raced in desert races around the world with no failures reported.
    Hope he recovers well.

    He went down the legal channel and spent a whole heap of money, but in the end he needed a specific type of engineer to provide a report to the court that the tyre had absolutely nothing to do with the failure of the bike. Of the 8 or so that can do it across the country, none of them would touch as apparently they were on a retainer.

    The family ended up finding the surgeons who did some crazy surgery so hes walking again and taking photos again.

    Apparently the failure point was fixed on the next model/year.

    Shame because he's a gun photographer and used to photograph adventure tours around Aus.

    tcphoto.com.au



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