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  • paulybronco Posts: 10096
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    24 May 2018 03:16 PM
    Just back from a 450run that went through Mt Glorious to see if the cops were about like they say. We stopped at the top and spoke to an older dude who rides the road once a week that they are out in force every weekend for the last 3 weeks. Lic, tyres , rbt and Qld transport testing exhausts. Anywhere up to 7 cars and 15-20 cops. Great utilisation of resources .....NOT!
  • Ratbob Posts: 414
    Adelaide Hills
    Stage 1 Poster Ratbob
    24 May 2018 04:16 PM
    Posted by paulybronco on 24 May 2018 03:16 PM
    Just back from a 450run that went through Mt Glorious to see if the cops were about like they say. We stopped at the top and spoke to an older dude who rides the road once a week that they are out in force every weekend for the last 3 weeks. Lic, tyres , rbt and Qld transport testing exhausts. Anywhere up to 7 cars and 15-20 cops. Great utilisation of resources .....NOT!

     Are they doing microphone Db testing or just guessing?

  • LOFTYBOB Posts: 3691
    Strength in Unity
    Forum Legend LOFTYBOB
    24 May 2018 04:47 PM
    Posted by Ratbob on 24 May 2018 03:46 PM
    Posted by paulybronco on 24 May 2018 03:16 PM
    Just back from a 450run that went through Mt Glorious to see if the cops were about like they say. We stopped at the top and spoke to an older dude who rides the road once a week that they are out in force every weekend for the last 3 weeks. Lic, tyres , rbt and Qld transport testing exhausts. Anywhere up to 7 cars and 15-20 cops. Great utilisation of resources .....NOT!

     Are they doing microphone Db testing or just guessing?

     Wouldn't matter, they can defect on suspicion of a fault.

    Filth told me once (as I was getting defected) that they can defect you rolling out of a bike shop on a brand new stock standard bike if they wanted too.

    Lucky I got that on tape.

  • Hilly Posts: 2159
    Townsville
    Motor Head Hilly
    24 May 2018 06:09 PM
    http://rvcs.infrastructure.gov.au/stationarynoise.htm
    If your bike was certified under ADR 83/00- External Noise 2005 as mine was, my bike is a 2016 model, stationery noise limit at 2505rpm is 96 decibels as the label on my swing arm says.
    So if you add the 5 decibels, as is allowed under said standard that means my bike can emit 101 decibels under said test, now they will obviously say it is not the stock exhaust but if you follow my earlier link you will see that a barrister has made a plain case of aftermarket exhausts being not prohibited, also add to that if you paid tax on your purchase in this country the government has by way of acceptance of the funds deemed the item legal, that one is outside my realm but shingles touched on it a few years ago on here.
    The 83/00 is also replacing existing standards, if you go to https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2009C01270 you can read it for yourself, probably make sweet fuck all difference on the side of the road but the beak will be impressed when you start quoting it.
  • Scouser Posts: 1828
    Marion, South Australia
    Motor Head Scouser
    24 May 2018 06:41 PM
    Something I can comment on!

    When I built my Triumph chopper it had to go to Regency, the testing station here in Adelaide, they wanted to see the lights and indicators working and as it didnt have a battery , only a magneto, I had to start it.

    I kicked it over and the inspector said it was too loud.
    He pulled out a microphone and put it on a tripod near the exhaust, he even measured the distance with a tape from the end of the exhaust.

    He told me to rev it to 2500 rpm I just reved it off idle and said I didnt have a tacho.
    He went and got a muliti meter looking device and held it near my leads and it showed the revs and had me take it to 2500
    I was 2 db under at 98 as my bike was allowed 100 as it was pre 1990 or something like that.

    He said as mine was pre whatever,  the exhaust didnt need Aus standard stamping but if it was after the date he said( I cant remember) he said it would fail if it didnt have the stamp even if it was below the allowed db.

  • Bonkerz Posts: 3445
    Forum Legend Bonkerz
    24 May 2018 08:40 PM
    Now that you've mentioned it Scouser I do remember hooking a mulitimeter up to a coil (cage) years ago.  I think that was a specialty meter though, with an RPM setting and all kinds of auto goodies.  Wouldn't be surprised to hear road side testing would have one.  That answers my question as to how they'd do it.
  • Jay-Dee Posts: 21
    Great South East
    Stock Poster Jay-Dee
    24 May 2018 10:04 PM
    Posted by fatbat on 24 May 2018 11:24 AM
    Posted by Jay-Dee on 23 May 2018 09:44 PM
    So I'd take from that board in the original post that my Breakout is good to 100db, 95 as per the compliance decal +5db, that's probably not too bad if I'm correct.

     I think you've interpreted that incorrectly.  After ADRs were enacted, you have a limit of 94 db.  If oem exhaust is less than the limit, you can only add a small amount of additional noise.

     Maybe but that's the argument I'd be having a crack with, my Breakout is definitely stickered at 95db so it's already factory "illegal" if 94db is the top.

    In reality if you stay away from the known hot spots in your area (i.e. Mt Glorious in Brisbane on weekends) and don't ride around everywhere like an arsehole, wear "colours" or "Sons of Anarchy" T-shirts (in some states), you probably don't have to worry too much about getting hassled by cops.

  • Ronin079 Posts: 27
    Stock Poster Ronin079
    25 May 2018 02:30 PM
    Posted by Jay-Dee on 24 May 2018 10:04 PM
    Posted by fatbat on 24 May 2018 11:24 AM
    Posted by Jay-Dee on 23 May 2018 09:44 PM
    So I'd take from that board in the original post that my Breakout is good to 100db, 95 as per the compliance decal +5db, that's probably not too bad if I'm correct.

     I think you've interpreted that incorrectly.  After ADRs were enacted, you have a limit of 94 db.  If oem exhaust is less than the limit, you can only add a small amount of additional noise.

     Maybe but that's the argument I'd be having a crack with, my Breakout is definitely stickered at 95db so it's already factory "illegal" if 94db is the top.

    In reality if you stay away from the known hot spots in your area (i.e. Mt Glorious in Brisbane on weekends) and don't ride around everywhere like an arsehole, wear "colours" or "Sons of Anarchy" T-shirts (in some states), you probably don't have to worry too much about getting hassled by cops.

     Hi, why would a bike not have a sticker on the swing arm? I have seen a few bike lately that don’t have them and the are Aus HD’s. I have also seen pipes with it engraved on the pipe but no sicker.... swap pipes  you are stuffed. Or maybe it is under the seat???

  • Hilly Posts: 2159
    Townsville
    Motor Head Hilly
    25 May 2018 02:43 PM
    No sticker usually means someone peeled it off cause they didn't like it, stock mufflers have bit of guff on them, depends on year etc
  • Ronin079 Posts: 27
    Stock Poster Ronin079
    25 May 2018 02:55 PM
    So how would one get another sticker, put the stock pipes back on get a new test and be issued with another sticker? 
  • Bonkerz Posts: 3445
    Forum Legend Bonkerz
    25 May 2018 03:16 PM
    Posted by Ronin079 on 25 May 2018 02:55 PM
    So how would one get another sticker, put the stock pipes back on get a new test and be issued with another sticker? 

     

    My sticker cam off because I power washed the mud from the rear wheel.  I had to order one from the dealer (HD) and it took weeks to arrive - can't remember what it cost but I remember thinking it was a fucking idiotic that I need a stupid sticker.  YMMV

  • Hilly Posts: 2159
    Townsville
    Motor Head Hilly
    25 May 2018 04:10 PM
    My sticker, different for different models apparently but same for some, as Bonkerz said, dealer can order it, cops won't help you out.

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    As I keep trying to get across the testing is different for this ADR, +5db, 101 is plenty loud at 2505rpm, yes I know it's dirty, bikes and women.....
    Hopefully the cops will shift focus again soon, if you must ride the latte strip keep it real, help a brother out!
  • Ronin079 Posts: 27
    Stock Poster Ronin079
    25 May 2018 05:26 PM
    Thanks Hilly, Bonkerz, everyone for the info, appreciate it! It’s an interesting discussion....
    Yeah avoid the Latte strip..??
  • Scouser Posts: 1828
    Marion, South Australia
    Motor Head Scouser
    25 May 2018 05:50 PM
    https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/driving-and-transport/vehicles/vehicle-types-and-specifications/motorcycles-and-sidecar-requirements

    This is for S.A
    Look up noise it allows 94db with no mention at all of +5db?
  • Hilly Posts: 2159
    Townsville
    Motor Head Hilly
    25 May 2018 06:10 PM
    Posted by Scouser on 25 May 2018 05:50 PM
    https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/driving-and-transport/vehicles/vehicle-types-and-specifications/motorcycles-and-sidecar-requirements

    This is for S.A
    Look up noise it allows 94db with no mention at all of +5db?

     It's coming in, says so in the stuff I mentioned, look for that ADR 83/00 in your state stuff, it's federal, it's in QLD now, they don't make it easy

  • Mr.Mow Posts: 480
    Melbourne
    Stage 1 Poster Mr.Mow
    25 May 2018 10:39 PM
    Years ago I had a Cagiva Mito 125, little 2 stroke single.. thing was not far off a 125 GP bike with headlights.
    I got pinged for noise (redlined it past a cop car), when I went for testing it failed, stock factory exhaust... it had no baffles, was straight through and loud as fck.

    Problem came up, ADR testing has something to do with displacement X power = dB at xyz revlimit.
    Meant a little 125 was tested at 4000rpm. These bikes idled at 2000rpm, powervalve opened at 8000 and redlined at 11000.
    It was fckn loud, ear splitting loud at 8000.

    So regardless of it being the factory exhaust, unmodified and passing adr, it wasn’t complying with local testing, was a nightmare that saw me sell the thing on as someone else’s problem.
    Goes to show how stupid the state vs federal systems were.
  • Krash Kinkade Posts: 2114
    Motor Head Krash Kinkade
    26 May 2018 09:28 AM
    NSW, if you fitted aftermarket system, seller had a sticker to say system met the noise test. if you had that on your muff to show cops, got past if pulled up. but think law has changed.
    I have only ever been defected for noise once, & was on my old Shovel, all the info cop gave me turned out wrong. wrong phone # for EPA. but got in touch with EPA they told me shovel could be over 100db as older. went to muffler place had a test, got a form from them went to rego. guy there took defect off said, the cops don't know & waste there time so carry the form he filled out, to show any cop that stops me in future. has never happened since. but I've never liked the look of these new pipes, a lot fit, can understand why people use them, but I've never needed too. QLD Cops from what I've seen throw a curved ball, or it might be the state government . but last year I road top to bottom or QLD not one problem saw less cops than I see patrolling in NSW. but I'll give FNQ bikers the thumbs up, ( they still know how to nod or wave to another biker on the road. sad to say NSW don't.
  • Oz Dan Posts: 198
    QLD
    Stock Poster Oz Dan
    27 May 2018 08:54 AM
    My Tamborine......the copper’s own sign says any bike after 2005 you can add 5dB to stickered noise level.....


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  • Hilly Posts: 2159
    Townsville
    Motor Head Hilly
    27 May 2018 10:56 AM
    Is there an accurate affordable db meter out there? Be interesting to play around with
  • Oz Dan Posts: 198
    QLD
    Stock Poster Oz Dan
    27 May 2018 11:04 AM
    Posted by Hilly on 27 May 2018 10:56 AM
    Is there an accurate affordable db meter out there? Be interesting to play around with

     I downloaded an app for my phone/tablet.......there are plenty of free ones.

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