The 2019 HD’s

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The 2019 HD’s

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R2D2
5 years ago

Quoting LOFTYBOB on 22 Aug 2018 12:56 AM
Livewire confirmed Mid 2019 build

Our market ?
Where did you find that man ?

Jayman6
5 years ago

Quoting LOFTYBOB on 22 Aug 2018 12:56 AM
Livewire confirmed Mid 2019 build

Quoting R2D2 on 22 Aug 2018 12:59 AM
Our market ?
Where did you find that man ?

All those pics are taken from Loftys garage mate.

R2D2
5 years ago

Quoting LOFTYBOB on 22 Aug 2018 12:56 AM
Livewire confirmed Mid 2019 build

Quoting R2D2 on 22 Aug 2018 12:59 AM
Our market ?
Where did you find that man ?

Quoting Jayman6 on 22 Aug 2018 01:27 AM
All those pics are taken from Loftys garage mate.

Lucky bastard he is !
I didn't see the Livewire on HD AU site is all.

paulybronco
5 years ago

Quoting LOFTYBOB on 22 Aug 2018 12:56 AM
Livewire confirmed Mid 2019 build

Quoting R2D2 on 22 Aug 2018 12:59 AM
Our market ?
Where did you find that man ?

Quoting Jayman6 on 22 Aug 2018 01:27 AM
All those pics are taken from Loftys garage mate.

LOL

LOFTYBOB
5 years ago

117 powered FXDR

LOFTYBOB
5 years ago

perthhog
5 years ago

I reckon those live wire bikes will be great for a city bike wonder what there going to be worth in Aus

R2D2
5 years ago

If I was HD I would of brought the FXWG back , it's the best looking HD ever built.

Mr.Mow
5 years ago

the FXDR starting at $36K AUS.. jesus...

98fxstc
5 years ago

Just about got it Hilly
but you missed one thing on all of them
Pull that useless fukn M8 out of them and put a twin cam 110 in them

Phelics
5 years ago

Quoting Mr.Mow on 22 Aug 2018 05:34 AM
the FXDR starting at $36K AUS.. jesus...

I know. It is just ridiculous.
Seriously, do Harley actually WANT to fail?

I’m disappointed by this not for the price of the FXDR so much, which I would never buy when the completion from other manufacturers is so strong.

Who exactly is supposed to be buying this? It’s not the Harley faithful and it’s not the new generation, who can get a much better equivalent bike from another manufacturer for significantly less.

The main reason I’m frustrated by this is because it is abundantly clear that the LiveWire is more than likely going to start its pricing in the mid to high $30,000’s. It needs to be in the high teens or the low $20,000’s and people would flock to it. It seems that no one at Harley has ever heard the words “loss leader” before!

I note that Tesla - which admittedly has its own problems - is looking to sell its model 3 in Australia for the mid to high $50,000’s drive away. And that’s before Tesla have any real competition, which will soon change.

Both are currently niche vehicles, made to appeal to early adopters. I’d argue that neither model 3 owners or LiveWire owners are going to be Tesla and Harley enthusiasts first and foremost; they are buying because it’s trendy, cutting edge and in truth, pretty cool. The fact that Tesla and Harley make it is incidental - so far, there’s no one else to choose from!

If the LiveWire is going to be $40k by the time some bling goes on and the Tesla is $50k, competition from other motorbikes will be the last thing Harley need to worry about.

Jayman6
5 years ago

That new addition to the CVO Road Glide fairing is sweet.

R2D2
5 years ago

Quoting Jayman6 on 22 Aug 2018 06:53 AM
That new addition to the CVO Road Glide fairing is sweet.

That's different !

JFE
5 years ago

Quoting Jayman6 on 22 Aug 2018 06:53 AM
That new addition to the CVO Road Glide fairing is sweet.

Too 80’s for me.

JFE
5 years ago

Quoting paulybronco on 21 Aug 2018 11:41 PM
Sorry i think that the FXDR looks like a Jap attempt to mimic a Harley from the 80s! It looks like they got mismatched bits and bolted them to a frame.

+1.
Why, oh why. It makes the 114 Fat Bob look ‘better’, and that thing hasn’t grown on me.

I’m obviously not the target market.

Jayman6
5 years ago

Quoting Mr.Mow on 22 Aug 2018 05:34 AM
the FXDR starting at $36K AUS.. jesus...

Quoting Phelics on 22 Aug 2018 06:34 AM
I know. It is just ridiculous.
Seriously, do Harley actually WANT to fail?

I’m disappointed by this not for the price of the FXDR so much, which I would never buy when the completion from other manufacturers is so strong.

Who exactly is supposed to be buying this? It’s not the Harley faithful and it’s not the new generation, who can get a much better equivalent bike from another manufacturer for significantly less.

The main reason I’m frustrated by this is because it is abundantly clear that the LiveWire is more than likely going to start its pricing in the mid to high $30,000’s. It needs to be in the high teens or the low $20,000’s and people would flock to it. It seems that no one at Harley has ever heard the words “loss leader” before!

I note that Tesla - which admittedly has its own problems - is looking to sell its model 3 in Australia for the mid to high $50,000’s drive away. And that’s before Tesla have any real competition, which will soon change.

Both are currently niche vehicles, made to appeal to early adopters. I’d argue that neither model 3 owners or LiveWire owners are going to be Tesla and Harley enthusiasts first and foremost; they are buying because it’s trendy, cutting edge and in truth, pretty cool. The fact that Tesla and Harley make it is incidental - so far, there’s no one else to choose from!

If the LiveWire is going to be $40k by the time some bling goes on and the Tesla is $50k, competition from other motorbikes will be the last thing Harley need to worry about.

Not sure why you’d use a premium, unique & first-to-market offering as a loss leader.
I think you answered your own question further down with regard to its niche appeal to early adopters, as opposed to actual HD fans.
Can’t see any business critical reason to flog these cheap myself.

Phelics
5 years ago

Quoting Mr.Mow on 22 Aug 2018 05:34 AM
the FXDR starting at $36K AUS.. jesus...

Quoting Phelics on 22 Aug 2018 06:34 AM
I know. It is just ridiculous.
Seriously, do Harley actually WANT to fail?

I’m disappointed by this not for the price of the FXDR so much, which I would never buy when the completion from other manufacturers is so strong.

Who exactly is supposed to be buying this? It’s not the Harley faithful and it’s not the new generation, who can get a much better equivalent bike from another manufacturer for significantly less.

The main reason I’m frustrated by this is because it is abundantly clear that the LiveWire is more than likely going to start its pricing in the mid to high $30,000’s. It needs to be in the high teens or the low $20,000’s and people would flock to it. It seems that no one at Harley has ever heard the words “loss leader” before!

I note that Tesla - which admittedly has its own problems - is looking to sell its model 3 in Australia for the mid to high $50,000’s drive away. And that’s before Tesla have any real competition, which will soon change.

Both are currently niche vehicles, made to appeal to early adopters. I’d argue that neither model 3 owners or LiveWire owners are going to be Tesla and Harley enthusiasts first and foremost; they are buying because it’s trendy, cutting edge and in truth, pretty cool. The fact that Tesla and Harley make it is incidental - so far, there’s no one else to choose from!

If the LiveWire is going to be $40k by the time some bling goes on and the Tesla is $50k, competition from other motorbikes will be the last thing Harley need to worry about.

Quoting Jayman6 on 22 Aug 2018 07:37 AM
Not sure why you’d use a premium, unique & first-to-market offering as a loss leader.
I think you answered your own question further down with regard to its niche appeal to early adopters, as opposed to actual HD fans.
Can’t see any business critical reason to flog these cheap myself.

I see your point.
I guess from my perspective, I think there’s a real opportunity to use this “first past the post, up to the minute” innovative product which LiveWire has the potential to be in order to appeal to Millenials and the “new type” of customer that Harley is chasing.

Making the price of entry so high that only the old school of biker (55+ with mortgage paid and kids gone) can afford it seems a pity to me.

I appreciate that Harley no doubt have a clever global marketing and branding team who have a world of expertise, experience and statistics at their fingertips. My input is not required!!

I just wish that a bunch of 20 - 30 year old hipsters, vegans, millenials and other newbies could afford the product and by being able to vote with their wallets, bring new life to Harley.

They might well buy a $19,000 LiveWire and then upgrade later. A first Harley historically almost never ends up being the last Harley.

Seeing them actually being ridden on the street, and within financial reach, is what is needed.

Making a new Scout Bobber, Scrambler or adventure bike clone with a 30% markup based just on the name is not the answer, I think, and nor is making the one truly exiting and innovative product so expensive and exclusive that the only people who can afford are those that don’t want it.

Jayman6
5 years ago

Quoting Phelics on 22 Aug 2018 06:34 AM
I know. It is just ridiculous.
Seriously, do Harley actually WANT to fail?

I’m disappointed by this not for the price of the FXDR so much, which I would never buy when the completion from other manufacturers is so strong.

Who exactly is supposed to be buying this? It’s not the Harley faithful and it’s not the new generation, who can get a much better equivalent bike from another manufacturer for significantly less.

The main reason I’m frustrated by this is because it is abundantly clear that the LiveWire is more than likely going to start its pricing in the mid to high $30,000’s. It needs to be in the high teens or the low $20,000’s and people would flock to it. It seems that no one at Harley has ever heard the words “loss leader” before!

I note that Tesla - which admittedly has its own problems - is looking to sell its model 3 in Australia for the mid to high $50,000’s drive away. And that’s before Tesla have any real competition, which will soon change.

Both are currently niche vehicles, made to appeal to early adopters. I’d argue that neither model 3 owners or LiveWire owners are going to be Tesla and Harley enthusiasts first and foremost; they are buying because it’s trendy, cutting edge and in truth, pretty cool. The fact that Tesla and Harley make it is incidental - so far, there’s no one else to choose from!

If the LiveWire is going to be $40k by the time some bling goes on and the Tesla is $50k, competition from other motorbikes will be the last thing Harley need to worry about.

Quoting Jayman6 on 22 Aug 2018 07:37 AM
Not sure why you’d use a premium, unique & first-to-market offering as a loss leader.
I think you answered your own question further down with regard to its niche appeal to early adopters, as opposed to actual HD fans.
Can’t see any business critical reason to flog these cheap myself.

Quoting Phelics on 22 Aug 2018 09:37 AM
I see your point.
I guess from my perspective, I think there’s a real opportunity to use this “first past the post, up to the minute” innovative product which LiveWire has the potential to be in order to appeal to Millenials and the “new type” of customer that Harley is chasing.

Making the price of entry so high that only the old school of biker (55+ with mortgage paid and kids gone) can afford it seems a pity to me.

I appreciate that Harley no doubt have a clever global marketing and branding team who have a world of expertise, experience and statistics at their fingertips. My input is not required!!

I just wish that a bunch of 20 - 30 year old hipsters, vegans, millenials and other newbies could afford the product and by being able to vote with their wallets, bring new life to Harley.

They might well buy a $19,000 LiveWire and then upgrade later. A first Harley historically almost never ends up being the last Harley.

Seeing them actually being ridden on the street, and within financial reach, is what is needed.

Making a new Scout Bobber, Scrambler or adventure bike clone with a 30% markup based just on the name is not the answer, I think, and nor is making the one truly exiting and innovative product so expensive and exclusive that the only people who can afford are those that don’t want it.

Dealer finance will sort that lot out mate, a whole seperate area of the mocos income stream!

Phelics
5 years ago

Not sure about that.
Most of the new lot are highly allergic to long term commitment. They want to buy, sell, swap, trade, move to Bali to teach yoga, come back and write a book about it, publish it online and all the rest. You know the drill.

They are NOT going to line up to get Harley Finance on a $35k electric bike which over 5 years ends up costing them a further $15k. Simply won’t happen. Hell, most of them don’t even have a licence!

Mr.Mow
5 years ago

Quoting Phelics on 22 Aug 2018 06:34 AM
I know. It is just ridiculous.
Seriously, do Harley actually WANT to fail?

I’m disappointed by this not for the price of the FXDR so much, which I would never buy when the completion from other manufacturers is so strong.

Who exactly is supposed to be buying this? It’s not the Harley faithful and it’s not the new generation, who can get a much better equivalent bike from another manufacturer for significantly less.

The main reason I’m frustrated by this is because it is abundantly clear that the LiveWire is more than likely going to start its pricing in the mid to high $30,000’s. It needs to be in the high teens or the low $20,000’s and people would flock to it. It seems that no one at Harley has ever heard the words “loss leader” before!

I note that Tesla - which admittedly has its own problems - is looking to sell its model 3 in Australia for the mid to high $50,000’s drive away. And that’s before Tesla have any real competition, which will soon change.

Both are currently niche vehicles, made to appeal to early adopters. I’d argue that neither model 3 owners or LiveWire owners are going to be Tesla and Harley enthusiasts first and foremost; they are buying because it’s trendy, cutting edge and in truth, pretty cool. The fact that Tesla and Harley make it is incidental - so far, there’s no one else to choose from!

If the LiveWire is going to be $40k by the time some bling goes on and the Tesla is $50k, competition from other motorbikes will be the last thing Harley need to worry about.

Quoting Jayman6 on 22 Aug 2018 07:37 AM
Not sure why you’d use a premium, unique & first-to-market offering as a loss leader.
I think you answered your own question further down with regard to its niche appeal to early adopters, as opposed to actual HD fans.
Can’t see any business critical reason to flog these cheap myself.

Quoting Phelics on 22 Aug 2018 09:37 AM
I see your point.
I guess from my perspective, I think there’s a real opportunity to use this “first past the post, up to the minute” innovative product which LiveWire has the potential to be in order to appeal to Millenials and the “new type” of customer that Harley is chasing.

Making the price of entry so high that only the old school of biker (55+ with mortgage paid and kids gone) can afford it seems a pity to me.

I appreciate that Harley no doubt have a clever global marketing and branding team who have a world of expertise, experience and statistics at their fingertips. My input is not required!!

I just wish that a bunch of 20 - 30 year old hipsters, vegans, millenials and other newbies could afford the product and by being able to vote with their wallets, bring new life to Harley.

They might well buy a $19,000 LiveWire and then upgrade later. A first Harley historically almost never ends up being the last Harley.

Seeing them actually being ridden on the street, and within financial reach, is what is needed.

Making a new Scout Bobber, Scrambler or adventure bike clone with a 30% markup based just on the name is not the answer, I think, and nor is making the one truly exiting and innovative product so expensive and exclusive that the only people who can afford are those that don’t want it.

Maybe its the circles I move in.. but all the 20 something dudes I know are thrashing about on ironheads and shovels, chopped and flaked, rusty and beaten to fck, theyre dressed in dirty denim, long hair, beards, moustaches and tattoos, rock n roll and beer. Generally they want it super custom and something they can wrench on.
They have absolutely zero interest in this stuff, they May just may be rocking a recent Dyna or sporty as a trouble free backup.

As for the rest of the 20 somethings I know, they have zero interest in motorcycles in general, or cars or anything really.

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R2D2

Jayman6

R2D2

paulybronco

LOFTYBOB

LOFTYBOB

perthhog

R2D2

Mr.Mow

98fxstc

Phelics

Jayman6

R2D2

JFE

JFE

Jayman6

Phelics

Jayman6

Phelics

Mr.Mow