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OldFarter Do me/us a favour and don't by a Harley thanks

Could it be that we consumers are being more educated with the world at our finger tips and Mr Google our knowledgeable friend. Harley have been having problems with motors for a long times with anything from twisted cranks thru to compensator and now sumping problems. In the 80s i worked in the bike industry and we gave the HD franchise back to Frasers because of the ongoing issues. People still bought HD back then even though they were around 1.5 times the price of a Jap bike. My bike has had countless issues but would i swap it for something else....Hell no! Harley do need to lift their game and do more R&D on these new motors before they send them out to the buying public. I understand fully people who dont want to spend their hard earned on a product that they have little confidence in and that  blame lays entirely with the factory .

Pauly, yes the blame does lay with R&D & the factory but honestly the attitude of some dealers with warrantee is disgusting/disrespectful. But I must say many other bike & car makes do exactly the same shit when probs occur after sale (like stating "there is no problem - first time we've heard of it").  

Exactly!

If the MoCo had a bit more concern for their customers and their reputation they would make another video and tell the M8 owners what to look out for.

They seem happy to take a gamble and keep replacing oil pumps and engines.

My understanding is that machining and manufacturing tolerances are getting looser and looser.

In respect of the oil pump, some can cope, some cannot; some can cope with performance upgrades and some cannot.

I would think the way to go would be to come up with an improved design for the oil pump and circulate a Service Bulletin to M8 owners through the Dealers advising owners what to look for.

Might help with their reputation a little bit.

Here are a couple of screenshots from the US HDForums.

If I recall Heatwave had a stage 4 upgrade to his new M8 and when the oil pump failed and the engine trashed, an equivalent engine was fitted, and so on.

The other guy has had a stock 107 replaced multiple times.

Do you  know those guys personally ? Can you vouch for them ? Have you rang their HD dealers to confirm ? Have you seen their  bikes ,receipts,work orders ?

Do I know them personally ?
Fuck off !!

I spend more time on the US forums than I do here.
That is the way to learn; from guys who have been riding and working on Harleys since they were old enough to walk.
Heatwave has been around the forums for a couple of years and I have followed some of his builds.
( He doesn't do them himself, he pays others who have the right reputation in the game)

Many here, and you appear to be one of them, spend their spare time at the Dealers soaking up the bullshit and paying for Screamin' Eagle upgrades or buying the new models.

How are you ever going to learn anything when you are not able to broaden your horizons ?

Yea I've been to the states a few times lately actually ,how about you.

Not interested in talking to the guy in the video.
He is peddling the wrong message.
You broaden your horizons by talking to Dealer techs in the States, as well as here.
Good for you !!

A failure rate of 1.2% in Aust? That's a very specific figure, let me guess - that figure was given by HD, the very same people who have stuck their head in the sand & lied to their loyal (and dwindling) customer base.

I have been in communication with the guy on the video, he's a really decent dude ,he was prepared to put his face and name to that video, he's no punk , are the people claiming issues on the US forums doing that.That dude staked his rep on that video and that's a big thing in the states

There is an issue but it is blown out of proportion ?
Have a look at harleytechtalk.
The problems with the M8 have accumulated the second highest number of posts behind the joke thread which has been going since the very early days of the site.
Maybe the M8  thread should be incorporated into the joke thread.

Yep blown completely out of proportion.

In regards to the known fact of oil transferring from transmission to primary, this HD video guy suggests that maybe the customers bikes primary was initially overfilled so it only appeared that oil had transferred  - FFS, does he think everyone is just stupid? Is he related to Trump? It's cringeworthy. Does HD endorse this stuff coming from him?

Too right.
Those on here who do their own maintenance will know that the primary can't be filled past the bottom of the opening.
Most M8 owners wouldn't know that.

Yea you got me. 

More hearsay , that's the issue here.

Done all that man , 2 and a half months of investigation of dealerships all over QLD seaboard , I know what's the deal man.,