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  • Geoff3DMN
    Geoff3DMN
    5 years ago
    Quoting JFE on 05 Sep 2018 10:59 AM

    Thanks for all the cool moments and personal experience (except for the Ute & dog offer and suggestion to get a WRX. Lay off the grog blokes, as generous as the dog offer is). Yep, read/watch John at Auto Expert - he certainly hates Ford for their bad rep looking after those that have problems; he is correct but I’d say most brands have their problems on that score. At least he can’t fault the Ranger, now the flammable DPF issue has been fixed via recall. He doesn’t like Toyota either, btw.

    I’m not planning on towing, unless it’s a random trailer with a big screen tv. And good advice on the suspension, thanks - I will consider that when sussing out a bull bar. Will go alloy if I can, the Ford genuine one is only 55 kgs which isn’t terrible.

    At this point I will organise another test drive of a Ranger-Hilux-Prado, when the new Ranger arrives in October (tweaks and minor upgrades), and then narrow it down via preference and best deal. Reckon it will come down to the Wildtrak and Prado ... and an honest consideration what I can get the most of. Thanks again.

    Quoting Daffy on 07 Sep 2018 12:45 AM

    I was in the car game for32 years but have lost touch a bit. Mazda and Ford are the same ute.Nissan Navara worth looking at. Prado great.Pajero great.Whatever you do BUY AN AUTO!If you do ever tow that is much better.I love riding my Deluxe and changing gears but in the car can,t be arsed any more.Auto better for 4wheel driving too. Good luck


    I do a lot of off road driving, some with the local 4 wheel drive club, some with mates and a bit solo.

    I've owned both auto and manual 4x4 utes and wagons (starting with a Nissan G60 back almost 40 years ago) and it's my honest belief that auto 4x4s are better uphill but manuals are better down hill (I'm talking about serious low range, lockers engaged driving here).  Around town, no question an auto is better.  On the highway... either is fine.

    I live in the country now so I've got a manual right now but if I lived in a city I'd have an auto without a doubt in my mind.

    Oh and as to the Ranger and the BT-50 being the same... I don't really agree with that, yes they're built on the same basic platform but they're different in the engine tune, the auto programming, the interior and most importantly (yeah I'm shallow) the Ranger looks a shit load better!

    Calling the Ranger and the BT-50 'the same' is like saying a Commodore Evoke with it's plain jane looks and lower power tune is the same as a Commodore SV-6 Black Edition with it's nicer styling and more powerful tune.
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    5 years ago
    Quoting JFE on 05 Sep 2018 10:59 AM

    Thanks for all the cool moments and personal experience (except for the Ute & dog offer and suggestion to get a WRX. Lay off the grog blokes, as generous as the dog offer is). Yep, read/watch John at Auto Expert - he certainly hates Ford for their bad rep looking after those that have problems; he is correct but I’d say most brands have their problems on that score. At least he can’t fault the Ranger, now the flammable DPF issue has been fixed via recall. He doesn’t like Toyota either, btw.

    I’m not planning on towing, unless it’s a random trailer with a big screen tv. And good advice on the suspension, thanks - I will consider that when sussing out a bull bar. Will go alloy if I can, the Ford genuine one is only 55 kgs which isn’t terrible.

    At this point I will organise another test drive of a Ranger-Hilux-Prado, when the new Ranger arrives in October (tweaks and minor upgrades), and then narrow it down via preference and best deal. Reckon it will come down to the Wildtrak and Prado ... and an honest consideration what I can get the most of. Thanks again.

    Quoting Daffy on 07 Sep 2018 12:45 AM

    I was in the car game for32 years but have lost touch a bit. Mazda and Ford are the same ute.Nissan Navara worth looking at. Prado great.Pajero great.Whatever you do BUY AN AUTO!If you do ever tow that is much better.I love riding my Deluxe and changing gears but in the car can,t be arsed any more.Auto better for 4wheel driving too. Good luck

    Quoting Geoff3DMN on 07 Sep 2018 12:53 AMedited: 07 Sep 2018 12:57 AM


    I do a lot of off road driving, some with the local 4 wheel drive club, some with mates and a bit solo.

    I've owned both auto and manual 4x4 utes and wagons (starting with a Nissan G60 back almost 40 years ago) and it's my honest belief that auto 4x4s are better uphill but manuals are better down hill (I'm talking about serious low range, lockers engaged driving here).  Around town, no question an auto is better.  On the highway... either is fine.

    I live in the country now so I've got a manual right now but if I lived in a city I'd have an auto without a doubt in my mind.

    Oh and as to the Ranger and the BT-50 being the same... I don't really agree with that, yes they're built on the same basic platform but they're different in the engine tune, the auto programming, the interior and most importantly (yeah I'm shallow) the Ranger looks a shit load better!

    Calling the Ranger and the BT-50 'the same' is like saying a Commodore Evoke with it's plain jane looks and lower power tune is the same as a Commodore SV-6 Black Edition with it's nicer styling and more powerful tune.

    Hi Geoff, the 2018 Mazda BT50 and Ford Ranger Wildtrack have exactly the same power and tourque specs. Same engine, same tune.
    What about a new Harley Davidson Ford 150.  Will the marketing never end.
  • robots
    robots
    5 years ago
    Get wagon, useless dual cabs.
    Chuck stuff in the back close lid and done
  • Ken in Cairns
    Ken in Cairns
    5 years ago
    My mate next door just got s BT50, for a fair bit less than the Ranger. Shop around once you decide on what you want.
    Cheers Ken 
  • marce
    marce
    5 years ago
    I have an ,04 petrol Pradao....over 300 thousand kms, been very reliable, does a bit of everything, not brilliantly but in my experience toyotas last longer.
    we also have a landcruiser (diesel) great machine for towing, very comfortable... but heavy.

    my call is get a 2nd hand Prado. 
  • Baloffski
    Baloffski
    5 years ago
    Quoting marce on 11 Sep 2018 07:42 AM

    I have an ,04 petrol Pradao....over 300 thousand kms, been very reliable, does a bit of everything, not brilliantly but in my experience toyotas last longer.

    we also have a landcruiser (diesel) great machine for towing, very comfortable... but heavy.

    my call is get a 2nd hand Prado. 

    Years ago, we all knew the stories of Land rovers abandoned on the bush roads. Then came Toyota, bloody Japs, wanted our country, but got their engineering into our country.  Bloody Tojo's are the best. Bugga"s  Least Chinese haven"t got that foot hold, yet.
    Toyota, are good value.Barsteads.
  • JFE
    JFE
    5 years ago
    To update everone, I ended up buying a new Ford Ranger Wildtrak. After test driving a Hilux, Prado and Wildtrak, the decision was clear - the Hilux was too workman-like for me, Prado solid but didn’t come equiped or drive as well as the Ranger. 
    See pic - I took it up Mt Coree near Canberra first weekend and she loved it. Just clicked over 3000’s kms down to Victoria, and it is a great tourer. Full up with crap, sitting circa 115 and averaging 9.0lt per 100 km’s for a nearly 2.5 tonne loaded Ute. Pretty good. All the tech works a treat and it rides very well, high and definitely feels like more of a big suv, vice ute. 

    Ordered it with a Ford genuine bullbar (it looked the best and fit was seamless). Five year wants and free servicing. Gonna get some spotties and that will be it. Plan to haul wood early next year and expect it will lap it up.

    At 5.5 metres long, it just fits in the garage. It’s big but not too much of an issue with a good camera and front/rear parking sensors. Only hit the garage once.

    As an aside, I haven’t had a new car since 2009, and man, has useful tech come a long way. Night and day. Loving it. 
    Cheers.


  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Nice. Keep us in the loop how long till your first flat battery.....i did flag this issue some time ago with my sons brand new BT50 . Google it its the smart alternator that is the drama
  • Baloffski
    Baloffski
    5 years ago
    Quoting JFE on 22 Dec 2018 09:56 AMedited: 22 Dec 2018 09:58 AM

    To update everone, I ended up buying a new Ford Ranger Wildtrak. After test driving a Hilux, Prado and Wildtrak, the decision was clear - the Hilux was too workman-like for me, Prado solid but didn’t come equiped or drive as well as the Ranger. 

    See pic - I took it up Mt Coree near Canberra first weekend and she loved it. Just clicked over 3000’s kms down to Victoria, and it is a great tourer. Full up with crap, sitting circa 115 and averaging 9.0lt per 100 km’s for a nearly 2.5 tonne loaded Ute. Pretty good. All the tech works a treat and it rides very well, high and definitely feels like more of a big suv, vice ute. 

    Ordered it with a Ford genuine bullbar (it looked the best and fit was seamless). Five year wants and free servicing. Gonna get some spotties and that will be it. Plan to haul wood early next year and expect it will lap it up.

    At 5.5 metres long, it just fits in the garage. It’s big but not too much of an issue with a good camera and front/rear parking sensors. Only hit the garage once.

    As an aside, I haven’t had a new car since 2009, and man, has useful tech come a long way. Night and day. Loving it. 
    Cheers.


    Very good choice. Not just saying that. I looked at em in 2013, but I could buy a 2013 Mazda BT-50 for 10 K less. First new truck, first Japanese Vehicle, well Thai, actually. Battery is 2013- 2018, still going strong. Not an issue.. Help with my rear tail light on Road Glide same year, is an issue. Nice looking jigger ya got the bro. have fun.

  • Soapbox2627
    Soapbox2627
    5 years ago
    I could not afford a Wildtrack, so I got a 2018 XLT Ranger, still no flat battery, factory bull bar with 5000 Fyrlyts, should have got the 9000's fitted, leather option and tub liner and canopy, I had a second battery fitted and wired to the rear tray for my fridge.

    Ive had mine 10 months now and very happy,

    a mate just took his ranger through the Simpson and had no issues were his old Prado (his son driving) got bogged and broke down a couple times

  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    5 years ago
    Nice Truck JFE!!
    A mates son drives one & goes up NT to work every six months for six months, drives it through rivers, with water in cab up to dash, has to go through electric's after, but said a good ute.

  • JFE
    JFE
    5 years ago
    Cheers blokes. I’m pleased. 
    Yep heard about some having issues with the battery. I will ask some questions to Ford and see how it goes. I’m not running an extras yet like a fridge or anything yet so will see. Heard some get it disconnected by Ford which is something I’m going to ask about for the stop-start system which is proving more an annoyance than anything else. 

    Surprised (and very happy) with how well it goes on & off road. Planning some more time up the Brindabella’s, and another spot past Braidwood where you can get firewood legally.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting JFE on 23 Dec 2018 01:16 AM

    Cheers blokes. I’m pleased. 

    Yep heard about some having issues with the battery. I will ask some questions to Ford and see how it goes. I’m not running an extras yet like a fridge or anything yet so will see. Heard some get it disconnected by Ford which is something I’m going to ask about for the stop-start system which is proving more an annoyance than anything else. 

    Surprised (and very happy) with how well it goes on & off road. Planning some more time up the Brindabella’s, and another spot past Braidwood where you can get firewood legally.

    Lets hope Ford are more forthcoming that Mazda was with me regarding the battery. I was told by a "Tech advisor" from Mazda Australia who flattly (no pun intended) denied any issues at all EVER and when i pointed out the fact that there are About 16,400,000  internet pages results (0.46 seconds) , his reply was...."So if its on the internet it must be true" I replied "You must be kidding mate to think that this is a conspiracy against Mazda to get a new battery or something....Fuck me" I was then told as a result of using the "F" word our call will be terminated and he did. I was fuming and rang back , got a different "Tech advisor" who asked my name then immediately told me i was banned for 24hrs for "abusive and threatening tone" and hung up again. I now no longer deal with Mazda, we have a Mazda 3 as well, and tell everyone who listens what terrible customer service at both dealer and distributor level they have. The truck still suffers the flat battery issues and at the end of lease will be going. Very sad that they are let down by customer service as the product is good. Rant over. LOL
  • JFE
    JFE
    5 years ago
    Bloody. Mazda service is meant to be better than Ford! 
    Have you asked about the switch off option? I’m getting first service tomorrow so I will ask, out interest but will leave it alone (with fingers crossed).
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting JFE on 23 Dec 2018 02:11 AM

    Bloody. Mazda service is meant to be better than Ford! 

    Have you asked about the switch off option? I’m getting first service tomorrow so I will ask, out interest but will leave it alone (with fingers crossed).

    I refuse to ever attend a Mazda dealership again! I have been told, true or not, that the smart alternator can be reprogrammed via a service tool to charge differently to its current factory settings. I will mention it to our mechanic on its next service. Just as a matter of conversation just mention that you have some concerns about so many people having an issue just to see what his reaction is when you take yours in tomorrow...
  • DocGreen
    DocGreen
    5 years ago
    Quoting JFE on 23 Dec 2018 02:11 AM

    Bloody. Mazda service is meant to be better than Ford! 

    Have you asked about the switch off option? I’m getting first service tomorrow so I will ask, out interest but will leave it alone (with fingers crossed).

    Quoting paulybronco on 23 Dec 2018 02:23 AMedited: 23 Dec 2018 02:25 AM

    I refuse to ever attend a Mazda dealership again! I have been told, true or not, that the smart alternator can be reprogrammed via a service tool to charge differently to its current factory settings. I will mention it to our mechanic on its next service. Just as a matter of conversation just mention that you have some concerns about so many people having an issue just to see what his reaction is when you take yours in tomorrow...

    PB, have you tried just leaving your park lights on or your a/c when driving around?  These smart alternators are load sensitive and reduce output to save on fuel economy, although I'm not sure if anyone would notice the difference. 
    My pajero is similar and I've never had a flat battery (touch wood), I've heard Ford can turn theres off, so I'd agree Mazda should be able to also.
    Docgreen 
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting JFE on 23 Dec 2018 02:11 AM

    Bloody. Mazda service is meant to be better than Ford! 

    Have you asked about the switch off option? I’m getting first service tomorrow so I will ask, out interest but will leave it alone (with fingers crossed).

    Quoting paulybronco on 23 Dec 2018 02:23 AMedited: 23 Dec 2018 02:25 AM

    I refuse to ever attend a Mazda dealership again! I have been told, true or not, that the smart alternator can be reprogrammed via a service tool to charge differently to its current factory settings. I will mention it to our mechanic on its next service. Just as a matter of conversation just mention that you have some concerns about so many people having an issue just to see what his reaction is when you take yours in tomorrow...

    Quoting DocGreen on 23 Dec 2018 02:58 AM

    PB, have you tried just leaving your park lights on or your a/c when driving around?  These smart alternators are load sensitive and reduce output to save on fuel economy, although I'm not sure if anyone would notice the difference. 

    My pajero is similar and I've never had a flat battery (touch wood), I've heard Ford can turn theres off, so I'd agree Mazda should be able to also.
    Docgreen 

    Cheers Doc the daylight running lights remain on while driving, no option with that, and due to living in Qld the a/c runs all the time. I am also told that the car has multiple computers that run even after shutting the car down some are still active.  When you say they are load sensitive  i assume your referring to voltage sensitive or accessory sensitive? They will fully charge the battery then revert to sleep mode allowing the volts to drop and its my belief that if your unlucky enough to switch off the car at that point, the lowest voltage point before it starts the charge , you end up with no cranking power. The thing i cant explain is how when you hop back in to start it not even the instrument lights light up. RACQ come jumpstart you and within 5 min you can switch it off and resume normal driving....WTF!
  • binnsy
    binnsy
    5 years ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 23 Dec 2018 02:23 AMedited: 23 Dec 2018 02:25 AM

    I refuse to ever attend a Mazda dealership again! I have been told, true or not, that the smart alternator can be reprogrammed via a service tool to charge differently to its current factory settings. I will mention it to our mechanic on its next service. Just as a matter of conversation just mention that you have some concerns about so many people having an issue just to see what his reaction is when you take yours in tomorrow...

    Quoting DocGreen on 23 Dec 2018 02:58 AM

    PB, have you tried just leaving your park lights on or your a/c when driving around?  These smart alternators are load sensitive and reduce output to save on fuel economy, although I'm not sure if anyone would notice the difference. 

    My pajero is similar and I've never had a flat battery (touch wood), I've heard Ford can turn theres off, so I'd agree Mazda should be able to also.
    Docgreen 

    Quoting paulybronco on 23 Dec 2018 03:50 AM

    Cheers Doc the daylight running lights remain on while driving, no option with that, and due to living in Qld the a/c runs all the time. I am also told that the car has multiple computers that run even after shutting the car down some are still active.  When you say they are load sensitive  i assume your referring to voltage sensitive or accessory sensitive? They will fully charge the battery then revert to sleep mode allowing the volts to drop and its my belief that if your unlucky enough to switch off the car at that point, the lowest voltage point before it starts the charge , you end up with no cranking power. The thing i cant explain is how when you hop back in to start it not even the instrument lights light up. RACQ come jumpstart you and within 5 min you can switch it off and resume normal driving....WTF!

    Smart alternator can certainly be switched off as a lot of people towing caravans do it because of powering fridge through anderson plug.  Having said that make sure anything you  like light bar etc. are earthed to the chassis not the neg battery terminal. I have had my Ranger about three years and no flat battery yet. And it doesn't get driven a lot either 14,000 in three years.  I was also told and I dont know the validity of it, but make sure you lock the vehicle even in the garage when you park it up.  Apparently if you dont this can contribute to a flat battery.  
    I tow close to three tonne van with mine and does it with ease.  
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting DocGreen on 23 Dec 2018 02:58 AM

    PB, have you tried just leaving your park lights on or your a/c when driving around?  These smart alternators are load sensitive and reduce output to save on fuel economy, although I'm not sure if anyone would notice the difference. 

    My pajero is similar and I've never had a flat battery (touch wood), I've heard Ford can turn theres off, so I'd agree Mazda should be able to also.
    Docgreen 

    Quoting paulybronco on 23 Dec 2018 03:50 AM

    Cheers Doc the daylight running lights remain on while driving, no option with that, and due to living in Qld the a/c runs all the time. I am also told that the car has multiple computers that run even after shutting the car down some are still active.  When you say they are load sensitive  i assume your referring to voltage sensitive or accessory sensitive? They will fully charge the battery then revert to sleep mode allowing the volts to drop and its my belief that if your unlucky enough to switch off the car at that point, the lowest voltage point before it starts the charge , you end up with no cranking power. The thing i cant explain is how when you hop back in to start it not even the instrument lights light up. RACQ come jumpstart you and within 5 min you can switch it off and resume normal driving....WTF!

    Quoting binnsy on 23 Dec 2018 05:12 AM

    Smart alternator can certainly be switched off as a lot of people towing caravans do it because of powering fridge through anderson plug.  Having said that make sure anything you  like light bar etc. are earthed to the chassis not the neg battery terminal. I have had my Ranger about three years and no flat battery yet. And it doesn't get driven a lot either 14,000 in three years.  I was also told and I dont know the validity of it, but make sure you lock the vehicle even in the garage when you park it up.  Apparently if you dont this can contribute to a flat battery.  

    I tow close to three tonne van with mine and does it with ease.  

    Cheers Binnsy, the vehicle gets driven most days and has NO accessories at all other than a genuine mazda and dealer fitted towbar and bullbar. Both have been independently tested by a auto electrician with no issues re wiring. The locking is what i was referring to in an earlier comment as the car is ware its not running and constantly searching for the key to activate the alarm if you dont lock it, furthermore it detects the key if its close to the vehicle when its locked. Maybe this is battery karma as i have never had my Harley battery discharge when many other keep them on trickle charge. LOL
  • Wholehog
    Wholehog
    5 years ago
    Quoting JFE on 23 Dec 2018 02:11 AM

    Bloody. Mazda service is meant to be better than Ford! 

    Have you asked about the switch off option? I’m getting first service tomorrow so I will ask, out interest but will leave it alone (with fingers crossed).

    Quoting paulybronco on 23 Dec 2018 02:23 AMedited: 23 Dec 2018 02:25 AM

    I refuse to ever attend a Mazda dealership again! I have been told, true or not, that the smart alternator can be reprogrammed via a service tool to charge differently to its current factory settings. I will mention it to our mechanic on its next service. Just as a matter of conversation just mention that you have some concerns about so many people having an issue just to see what his reaction is when you take yours in tomorrow...

    Pretty sure u can get an alternator charge booster.....it’s just a diode which goes in the fuse box and instead of charge rate dropping it remains constant.
    I have had one in my Hilux running fridge and stuff for 8 years now with no issues whatsoever...and only on its second battery.
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