streetbob died

  • Lozz
    Lozz
    5 years ago

    Riding home from regular Saturday get together with some of the boys & bike backfired & died electrically. No ignition lights, no speedo nothing.

    Roadside check of battery connection, fuses, looked for any loose wiring, couldn't find anything. Mate went & got some tools & a battery pack as I thought my 10 week old battery may have shit itself. Couldn't start it or get any signs of life. Mate towed me home, about 5km & that ain't fun.

    Was really enjoying the ride too, great weather, good road & the Harley burbling away until it just stopped.

    At home, took out battery & charged it, checked wiring again, all connectors looked good & put battery back in with battery pack to boost. All dash lights came on & fuel pump did it's thing, I thought beauty & hit the starter.

    Big bang & flash from behind rear pot & no cranking over. Fuck & double fuck.

    Rang mate Andy who is a Harley mechanic for advice & he was intrigued & he's coming over tomorrow. We'll see what he finds.

  • gidgi
    gidgi
    5 years ago
    Quoting Lozz on 18 Nov 2018 10:45 AM

    Riding home from regular Saturday get together with some of the boys & bike backfired & died electrically. No ignition lights, no speedo nothing.

    Roadside check of battery connection, fuses, looked for any loose wiring, couldn't find anything. Mate went & got some tools & a battery pack as I thought my 10 week old battery may have shit itself. Couldn't start it or get any signs of life. Mate towed me home, about 5km & that ain't fun.

    Was really enjoying the ride too, great weather, good road & the Harley burbling away until it just stopped.

    At home, took out battery & charged it, checked wiring again, all connectors looked good & put battery back in with battery pack to boost. All dash lights came on & fuel pump did it's thing, I thought beauty & hit the starter.

    Big bang & flash from behind rear pot & no cranking over. Fuck & double fuck.

    Rang mate Andy who is a Harley mechanic for advice & he was intrigued & he's coming over tomorrow. We'll see what he finds.

    If you were riding it would not have been the battery unless the alternator has shit itself & draining the battery  as once started elec power comes from alternator thats where Id start, good luck 
  • Evo
    Evo
    5 years ago
    Coil has shit itself.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Evo on 18 Nov 2018 09:03 PM

    Coil has shit itself.

    Coil would not kill all electrical power
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    5 years ago
    Quoting Evo on 18 Nov 2018 09:03 PM

    Coil has shit itself.

    That was my initial thought too 
  • Wideglider
    Wideglider
    5 years ago
    Quoting Evo on 18 Nov 2018 09:03 PM

    Coil has shit itself.

    Quoting fatbat on 19 Nov 2018 12:18 AM

    That was my initial thought too 

    The ignition (coil) circuit is protected by a separate circuit breaker than lighting & accessories circuits. He has no power anywhere when fault exists.
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    5 years ago
    have a look for a loose terminal at earth or stater relay/starter motor.flash could have come extra amps of jumper battery when load of stater came on,but fuel pump/dash lights would be low amp draw.
  • robnicko
    robnicko
    5 years ago
    sounds like the starter has earthed internally,  have you tried roll starting it to isolate the starter as the problem?
  • Baloffski
    Baloffski
    5 years ago
    Quoting robnicko on 19 Nov 2018 06:21 AM

    sounds like the starter has earthed internally,  have you tried roll starting it to isolate the starter as the problem?

    Bloody good thought. Thankyou. Now, wat about ma lefthand Runnning/brake light pissing off... Nah all cool, will spend another week in garage, to locate fault. Good man....
  • STEAMER
    STEAMER
    5 years ago
    Have you checked the Main 40amp fuse.
  • Lozz
    Lozz
    5 years ago

    Well my Harley Riding Friends, after pulling all fuses testing all earths, removing power commander reading up how to test stator, rotor, rectifier, changing batteries in both fobs etc., I tested the battery after a full 48 hour trickle charge & it only read 11 volts.  Tried another charger for another 48 hour, 11 volts. What the...!  Took battery that was two months old back where I bought it & they tested it & only got 9volts. Got me new one next day. Checked before putting in & was 12.6 volts. Thought that now I would find what was wrong. The bike made all the right noises & fired up first prod of the button. Tested charge rate, perfect, not too high or low.  Took it for a run of about 30km , no dramas. All along it was the BATTERY had shit itself. Been riding regularly, today a 300km run today & no probs. I thought it was something more sinister how quick it happened, but it wasn't. After a bit of research  I found out that glass mat batteries are generally more powerful(CCA) & have a good life but they can just give up like mine did. Cheap fix, warranty replacement,  happy rider, Harley back to doing it's thing.   Thanks to everyone who offered advice, hope my story can help someone else. The original battery lasted 11 years. Reckon the bang & flash may have been unburnt fuel.

  • Wideglider
    Wideglider
    5 years ago
    Good outcome finally in the end Lozz, thanks for coming back on & letting us all know - not everyone does that.
    Anyway, a positive is you have learnt much more about your bike. 
  • gidgi
    gidgi
    5 years ago
    good of you to let us know I was intrigued as well, strange that it died when riding & the cause was battery, I recall years ago when battery in my car was dead had no leads so took battery from mates car put into mine started it then while car was running took out said battery replaced with my deaden & drove home,  because  an alternator takes over when started   & puts out  around 13 volts ( from memory ) when running  I could be corrected  anyho good result !
  • Lozz
    Lozz
    5 years ago
    Yeah Gidgi, when the battery was dead in my old Bonneville, It would start & run with it disconnected but no lights. But there was no electronic wizardry, definitely! Fuel pump, ignition & gauges are all electronic now & draw more power than an old coil. Maybe the immobilizer kicks in too when it thinks battery is disconnected. Anyhow, I am happy with outcome & hope that other pick up a little from my experience.
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    5 years ago
    Quoting Lozz on 01 Dec 2018 11:05 AMedited: 01 Dec 2018 11:09 AM

    Well my Harley Riding Friends, after pulling all fuses testing all earths, removing power commander reading up how to test stator, rotor, rectifier, changing batteries in both fobs etc., I tested the battery after a full 48 hour trickle charge & it only read 11 volts.  Tried another charger for another 48 hour, 11 volts. What the...!  Took battery that was two months old back where I bought it & they tested it & only got 9volts. Got me new one next day. Checked before putting in & was 12.6 volts. Thought that now I would find what was wrong. The bike made all the right noises & fired up first prod of the button. Tested charge rate, perfect, not too high or low.  Took it for a run of about 30km , no dramas. All along it was the BATTERY had shit itself. Been riding regularly, today a 300km run today & no probs. I thought it was something more sinister how quick it happened, but it wasn't. After a bit of research  I found out that glass mat batteries are generally more powerful(CCA) & have a good life but they can just give up like mine did. Cheap fix, warranty replacement,  happy rider, Harley back to doing it's thing.   Thanks to everyone who offered advice, hope my story can help someone else. The original battery lasted 11 years. Reckon the bang & flash may have been unburnt fuel.

    good job lozz,batteries can "drop" a cell out of the blue for no reason or indicators.ah..bang/flash out of exhaust,that explains a bit then.cheers.
  • Smokey61
    Smokey61
    5 years ago
    On the old Evo first the regulator gave out, but I didn't know it. The battery boiled dry and I didn't know it. Then the battery overheated and a bridge between cells cracked. Then I knew about it. 

    This became a pattern with the occasional stator failure thrown in to the mix.

    One day I thought, fuck it, I'll put a voltmeter on it. On the way to buy the voltmeter and the battery died...

    Put the voltmeter in and that fucker never played up again until I sold it.
  • gidgi
    gidgi
    5 years ago
    Quoting Lozz on 01 Dec 2018 09:43 PM

    Yeah Gidgi, when the battery was dead in my old Bonneville, It would start & run with it disconnected but no lights. But there was no electronic wizardry, definitely! Fuel pump, ignition & gauges are all electronic now & draw more power than an old coil. Maybe the immobilizer kicks in too when it thinks battery is disconnected. Anyhow, I am happy with outcome & hope that other pick up a little from my experience.

    Good stuff mate I too started with a Triumph loved that thing was a fantastic thing to ride
  • Hound_Dog
    Hound_Dog
    5 years ago
    Quoting Smokey61 on 02 Dec 2018 12:37 AM

    On the old Evo first the regulator gave out, but I didn't know it. The battery boiled dry and I didn't know it. Then the battery overheated and a bridge between cells cracked. Then I knew about it. 

    This became a pattern with the occasional stator failure thrown in to the mix.

    One day I thought, fuck it, I'll put a voltmeter on it. On the way to buy the voltmeter and the battery died...

    Put the voltmeter in and that fucker never played up again until I sold it.

    Aint it the way? LOL.
  • Hound_Dog
    Hound_Dog
    5 years ago
    Had a bloke come to my shop recently...bike wouldnt start...battery is fuck says me...no fucking way says he..."i keep it on the trickle charger always"!...now that would have been fine except the cable for the trickle charger wasnt connected.
  • JFE
    JFE
    5 years ago
    Quoting Hound_Dog on 03 Dec 2018 09:21 AM

    Had a bloke come to my shop recently...bike wouldnt start...battery is fuck says me...no fucking way says he..."i keep it on the trickle charger always"!...now that would have been fine except the cable for the trickle charger wasnt connected.

    Did you sell him some glasses with his new battery?