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  • Baloffski Posts: 1756
    Victoria
    Motor Head Baloffski
    17 Dec 2018 09:22 PM
    Fucken Togo sink their ship. Barsteads, lost the war but win the place. lol This should be an interesting follow PB.

  • skirtster Posts: 201
    Stock Poster skirtster
    18 Dec 2018 04:28 PM
    Excuse my ignorance but what are DPF problems.
  • paulybronco Posts: 11834
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    18 Dec 2018 05:16 PM
    Quoting skirtster on 18 Dec 2018 04:28 PM
    Excuse my ignorance but what are DPF problems.
    Google is your friend little grasshopper...
  • Soapbox2627 Posts: 3343
    Whyalla South Australia
    Forum Legend Soapbox2627
    18 Dec 2018 07:16 PM
    Quoting skirtster on 18 Dec 2018 04:28 PM
    Excuse my ignorance but what are DPF problems.
    Quoting paulybronco on 18 Dec 2018 05:16 PM
    Google is your friend little grasshopper...
    there is no way anyone could get DPF is that pauly
  • brucefxdl Posts: 1107
    south west victoria
    Performance Poster brucefxdl
    18 Dec 2018 07:19 PM
    Quoting skirtster on 18 Dec 2018 04:28 PM
    Excuse my ignorance but what are DPF problems.
    diesel particulate filter......lot of very late vehicles got them now.they do have a service life...an are'nt cheap.
  • Scouser Posts: 1873
    Marion, South Australia
    Motor Head Scouser
    18 Dec 2018 09:05 PM
    Mate bought a $90K VW Multivan, all optioned up.
    6 months later it needed a new DPF, cost a couple of grand but was covered under warranty as a once only deal
    Then told him he has to go on the freeway once a week and sit on 100kmh for 20 mins so the DPF regenerates and burns the soot off
    His wife only used it locally.
    Then the EGR broke up and its now sitting on his drive as was 1 year out of warranty and $25k for a new engine
  • paulybronco Posts: 11834
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    18 Dec 2018 09:45 PM
    Quoting skirtster on 18 Dec 2018 04:28 PM
    Excuse my ignorance but what are DPF problems.
    Quoting paulybronco on 18 Dec 2018 05:16 PM
    Google is your friend little grasshopper...
    Quoting Soapbox2627 on 18 Dec 2018 07:16 PM
    there is no way anyone could get DPF is that pauly
    And in English?
  • Krash Kinkade Posts: 2640
    Forum Legend Krash Kinkade
    19 Dec 2018 12:22 PM
    Quoting paulybronco on 18 Dec 2018 05:16 PM
    Google is your friend little grasshopper...
    Quoting Soapbox2627 on 18 Dec 2018 07:16 PM
    there is no way anyone could get DPF is that pauly
    Quoting paulybronco on 18 Dec 2018 09:45 PM
    And in English?
    here was me thinking the P was Pauly , trying to figure out the D & F.

  • paulybronco Posts: 11834
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    19 Dec 2018 01:45 PM
    Quoting Soapbox2627 on 18 Dec 2018 07:16 PM
    there is no way anyone could get DPF is that pauly
    Quoting paulybronco on 18 Dec 2018 09:45 PM
    And in English?
    Quoting Krash Kinkade on 19 Dec 2018 12:22 PM
    here was me thinking the P was Pauly , trying to figure out the D & F.

    Dirty Pauly Fucker....??
  • Retroman Posts: 1029
    The far west
    Performance Poster Retroman
    19 Dec 2018 07:29 PM

    Diesels are dirty running things , always were. Trouble is in for example France , diesel cars became more common than petrol cars as long ago as the 1980's.

    All because

    A) Diesel was considerably cheaper than petrol in Europe for many years

    B) In all those small cars ( think Peugeot 205's , VW Golf's etc etc) the fuel consumption was WAY better than the equivalent petrol so the cars cost more to buy new but  MUCH MUCH less to run.

    Into the more modern "enlightened" times and the Euro fuggers decide Diesel is a dirty word ( no pun intended !) , with particularly nasty exhaust particulates. To the extent that diesel vehicles are now banned in the inner Paris metro area.

    In comes the DPF to catch all them fugging wee particulates as demanded by various Euro authorities. We get them in many Australian market cars "because"..

    I have a 2012 Nissan Navara D22 ( or my missus does actually ) , one of the last non-DPF equipped diesels sold. I wanted it that way as I knew from UK contacts that they ( DPF's) were trouble waiting to happen.

    Now even on that D22 , after a while between tankfills , if you have been cruising at a steady speed and then floor/accelerate swiftly , it chucks out big black clouds from the exhaust, almost embarrassing, that's on an 88,000 K's vehicle with the engine oil changed every 5,000 !

    Down to Supercheap and in with the Diesel injector cleaner ( does not matter which brand , just the cheapest/best bulk deal on the day ).

    That lasts for a wee while , sometimes 6 to 8 weeks and you're up for it again.

    As for the "long run" scenario, if we head out into the wheatbelt and have a 350/400 K's day the Nissan runs so sweet after.

    On that note so does my CVO Springer , maybe for the same reasons ?

  • Scouser Posts: 1873
    Marion, South Australia
    Motor Head Scouser
    19 Dec 2018 09:51 PM
    Quoting Retroman on 19 Dec 2018 07:29 PM

    Diesels are dirty running things , always were. Trouble is in for example France , diesel cars became more common than petrol cars as long ago as the 1980's.

    All because

    A) Diesel was considerably cheaper than petrol in Europe for many years

    B) In all those small cars ( think Peugeot 205's , VW Golf's etc etc) the fuel consumption was WAY better than the equivalent petrol so the cars cost more to buy new but  MUCH MUCH less to run.

    Into the more modern "enlightened" times and the Euro fuggers decide Diesel is a dirty word ( no pun intended !) , with particularly nasty exhaust particulates. To the extent that diesel vehicles are now banned in the inner Paris metro area.

    In comes the DPF to catch all them fugging wee particulates as demanded by various Euro authorities. We get them in many Australian market cars "because"..

    I have a 2012 Nissan Navara D22 ( or my missus does actually ) , one of the last non-DPF equipped diesels sold. I wanted it that way as I knew from UK contacts that they ( DPF's) were trouble waiting to happen.

    Now even on that D22 , after a while between tankfills , if you have been cruising at a steady speed and then floor/accelerate swiftly , it chucks out big black clouds from the exhaust, almost embarrassing, that's on an 88,000 K's vehicle with the engine oil changed every 5,000 !

    Down to Supercheap and in with the Diesel injector cleaner ( does not matter which brand , just the cheapest/best bulk deal on the day ).

    That lasts for a wee while , sometimes 6 to 8 weeks and you're up for it again.

    As for the "long run" scenario, if we head out into the wheatbelt and have a 350/400 K's day the Nissan runs so sweet after.

    On that note so does my CVO Springer , maybe for the same reasons ?

    I have a pre DPF Multivan it came with the EGR
    I deleted that and no more black smoke.
    The EGR we took off had a 3 inch pipe that was glogged with carbon build up it was only a 3/4 inch hole.
  • B0GN Posts: 344
    South Oz
    Stage 1 Poster B0GN
    20 Dec 2018 10:07 PM
    I’m pretty far from an expert but the mob I work for have a pretty big fleet of Kenworths. It can’t be a coincidence that the 10 or so ERG trucks we had got traded in way earlier and we’re still running trucks that are a good 5 years older. 

    I still see the occasional ERG powered rig driving down the road doing a “burn”. Ffs, they look exactly like steam trains. Way cool for the environment ;-)
  • JFE Posts: 1670
    NSW
    Motor Head JFE
    22 Dec 2018 08:46 PM
    From what I’ve seen, Toyota has been having the most trouble with its DPF’s, compounded by the sheer amount of 2.8lt engined vehicles they have sold since around 2016 when they were first introduced (think of all those Hilux’s, Prado’s and a couple Fortuna’s. All(?) dispels now have to have DPF’s for emissions purposes, though I believe you can get work around done (but this would void your warranty and be illegal).

    As usual with most motor companies, Toyota Australia was slow to come to the party recognising it had a problem with its V1 DPF. Wasn’t helped by scant advice on the need to regularly drive some distance for the DPF to do their burn job. And plenty of owners didn’t regularly drive distance at speed. These things can cost thousands to replace!

    Since the second 1/2 of this year, all 2.8’s come with a manual switch so you can do the burn yourself. Time will tell if this will suffice.

    Google John Cardogan’s Auto Expert site if you want an informed view; he’s been on about it for a while.

    I’ve noted some pretty clear advice in the owners manual for my Ranger, which doesn’t seem onerous and has an auto and manual option. Suffice to say I’m doing the right km’s to try and avoid this issue.

    Diesels are great for their intended purposes. 


  • Iron Posts: 280
    South Oz
    Stage 1 Poster Iron
    29 Dec 2018 09:16 AM
    I drive a Isuzu work truck with the diesel burn off system and its a pain in the arse, you be driving down main north road doing 90km hour and next thing ya think the truck is a bloody steam train with the amount of smoke it blows. Everybody behind me changing lanes its a sight to see. Mind you the truck has done 177000 km's but motor has not missed a beat with only a few minor issues here and there
  • Geoff3DMN Posts: 1532
    Castlemaine
    Motor Head Geoff3DMN
    30 Dec 2018 01:32 AM
    I never realised that Toyota utes and similar don’t have a stationary DPF burn mode.  All of the buses and light trucks where I worked (the ones that had DPF) had this option and most had an override.

    If you hadn’t driven long enough and hot enough/fast enough to clean out the DPF then the vehicle would sit there for about 20 minutes doing the burn off and would not drive at all until it finished.  

    Most also had a manual option to do a burn off stationary before it got to that point.

    But I guess those are vehicles costing between $150,000 and $500,000 so the extra cost isn’t as big a factor as it is with a $50,000 Ute.
  • Baloffski Posts: 1756
    Victoria
    Motor Head Baloffski
    30 Dec 2018 01:44 PM
    This is a very interesting post. Putting in a blanking S/S plate for EGR today in Diesel 4. Knowledge is great and lets have more.
  • Retroman Posts: 1029
    The far west
    Performance Poster Retroman
    30 Dec 2018 02:34 PM

    One of my riding mates has a Mitsubishi Triton ute to tow his caravan.

    He has done many mods to it whereas my 2012 Nissan Navara ute is 100% stock bar a K&N stock airbox air cleaner element.

    Just last week I was looking into a plug and play unit from Chip Tuning to switch off the EGR system thru' the ECM

    ( SOUND FAMILIAR FELLOW HARLEY DUDES ??)

    Module on the way at $129 posted and delivered

    Why ? It is a 2.5 diesel ill handling lump of course , so no need or point in "go faster".

    It will give a cleaner response in the exhaust smoke output under certain circumstances , and keep the inlet manifolds and system cleaner.

    Better fuel consumption to boot and quicker Turbo spool up they reckon.

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