Well fitted up the Compensator upgrade kit 40100061. Had to remove the inner primary ( Khant of a job which is why many folks grind the primary case below the stator.
As the bike is a 2008 the original stator needed to be replaced with the one in the kit
All seemed to go smooth , used the more modern alloy primary cover with the built in "Oil splash tray"
Started it up , small run , not too smooth and CLUNK when shutting off. WTF ? $635 Aussie dollars worth of parts and it's worse ?
Also noisy as before while riding , whistley/whirring and the odd occasional clunk. that was yesterday.
Internet search last night until midnight , whipped it open again today , put an extra dish spring in ( as suggested in other forums etc etc )
Another 2 hour job after cleanup etc etc...STILL NOISY AND CLUNKLY on shutdown and whirring on the move.
Yes sounds just like a bad primary as in all the youtube videos.
Next stripdown this coming Sunday maybe The indy shop is going to try another younger part number kit that only has the hardware , no rotor required.
We'll see how that goes. Struggling to imagine what may be the problem to be honest ?
Funnily enough no !
Only the slightest wear was evident on the original 2008 OEM ramps etc. The "spring pack" had lost tension , but of course they are "peened in" and do not seem to be replaceable/updateable.
That original unit lasted 38000 K's in a torquey 110. Very little and/or NO clunking in the OEM parts , or not yet. 4000 K's oil changes helped there I'm sure
Stu and I were talking at length about the Baker compensator with the oil scoop design. I have read in the US of spacing dramas with them Re the chain and sprockets and getting the alignment correct. Stators etc having to be shaved etc etc. That is why I decided to try the SE compensator kit actually
That's is where I will be going next if this "updated update" of a kit don't work Sunday...Stu has enquired already as to supply logistics
Why won't "cut and paste" work to the site any more ?
Trying to paste in the latest updates on my compensator "saga"
Cut and paste she no workee for me. May be my computer BUT it works on other forums and elsewhere like email etc etc
Got home from the Indy shop today having taken out the 401000601 spring/sprocket pack. ( left the rotor that came with this pack in !)
Measured it up against the spring/sprocket pack from the 42200064A kit and it ( sliding cam ) was 90 thou/2.3 mm less "height/length" !!
One kit manufactured 6 months after the other , with of course "superceded parts" it would appear..
VERY careful reassembly , reamed out the old threads with a 9/16 tap to shift the old Loctite , spray with throttle body cleaner then compressed air ( all we had to hand )
Torque-o rama to 175 Ft/Lbs , Roadtest and CLUNK gone. No more snatching in gear and no rumble/clunk when throttling off.
Some whistling/chattering still (but I may be overthinking that now). Bike will now go into 6th at 85Km/H
Hopefully the whistling will settle or bed in , and I will change the oil again in 200 K's looking for swarf on the plug and metal gloss in the oil.
Well , 220 K's on , some in reasonably hot weather , I changed to primary oil ( again !) , and the extra powerful magnet sump plug ( S&S I believe) had just a few wee mini shards of metal , "normal" would be the diagnosis. Oil fairly clear of metallic sheen thankfully. I bought a bunch of those sump plugs from Rollies in QLD a few years back.
Changed from HD Formula+ to "Genuine Suzuki" fully synthetic Ecstar 10W40 as I had some left from servicing the last Japper ( GSX 1300 ) and wanted to try fully synthetic to see if any difference over the Formula+. Opinions vary on "what oil yada yada", but CVO's came from new with HD SYN 3 and I don't keep that on the shelf.
There is still I am assuming Spring pack noise , some fixes appear to be replacing the thin roller bearing with a new thicker Thrust washer from HD part # 6557.
I have that ordered from the local HD dealer , $14 it will stay on the shelf for now and I will see how I go.OR fit another small Belleville spring in the spring pack OR both !
Another stripdown to do all that of course , and I am trying to avoid that. I have reused the same primary gasket each build , seems to be holding up thankfully
A cooler day today , to be "only" 27C , perfect day for Harley riding actually ( apologies to those in the Northern hemisphere !). So it will get another wee test run
Thanks Hoodeng for that detailed help/reply
The idea of going "back" to the thick thrust washer came out of the US where a few have tried that.
Also the "extra" spring insert came from US Forum sources.
Chain alignment did cross my mind , but other than a good "visual check" where it all looked OK it was not measured.
The setup in your photo looks like the "original OEM" setup that I took out I think , where the springpack is part of the rotor effectively ?
What was different in the "slider cam" from both kits is the earlier kit had no machined grooves and was 90 thou "shorter" measured vertically
The slightly later kit ( 6 months !) had the machined Grooves and taller ( 90 thou 2.3mm) slider cam.
Quote : ALL CVO VEHICLES HAVE A NEW SLIDER CAM BUT DO NOT USE SHIMS
Quote : THESE CHANGES DO NOT APPEAR IN THE 2014 PARTS CATALOGS OR SERVICE MANUALS
(This is from scammed dealer service bulletins that kind folks in the US have pointed me in the direction of !)
I do believe that there have been 5 revisions of the SE Compensator over the last 5 or 6 years.