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  • Phelics Posts: 66
    Stock Poster Phelics
    08 Jan 2019 07:17 PM
    This is true. I see you’ve linked the same news article. 

    However, did you scroll down the second link I put up? Crikey, the bikes in that deserve their own topic front and centre. Harley making electric mopeds, dirt bikes and what, scooters? This is a long, LONG way from even two years ago. Not saying it’s necessarily bad; just that it is a pretty big change. 

    If it props up the existing business, great. 

    If it IS the business moving forward, then it is very out there. 

    And yeah. $40k for the LiveWire is just HD setting it up to fail in Aus, in my opinion, especially if the range is still so modest. Shame, really. 
  • Far Canal Posts: 1575
    Motor Head Far Canal
    08 Jan 2019 08:19 PM
    The $40k for the livewire is expensive. However the first models with anything, eg flat screen tvs, mobile phones or going way back even things like refrigerators and vacuum cleaners were dear until so many have em then the price goes down.
    It would seem that electric vehicles are the future and bearing down on us fast. Same thing will happen with them, price will go down.
    HD will have a challenge on it's hands differentiating it's bikes from any other makes if they are all silent rockets. I guess that goes for all the brands.
    Anyway, when the petrol runs out I'd have an electric bike any day. Hell yeah.
    If the electricity runs out I'd prefer a flaming pushbike to walking.
  • paulybronco Posts: 11422
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    08 Jan 2019 09:15 PM
    Quoting Far Canal on 08 Jan 2019 08:19 PM
    The $40k for the livewire is expensive. However the first models with anything, eg flat screen tvs, mobile phones or going way back even things like refrigerators and vacuum cleaners were dear until so many have em then the price goes down.
    It would seem that electric vehicles are the future and bearing down on us fast. Same thing will happen with them, price will go down.
    HD will have a challenge on it's hands differentiating it's bikes from any other makes if they are all silent rockets. I guess that goes for all the brands.
    Anyway, when the petrol runs out I'd have an electric bike any day. Hell yeah.
    If the electricity runs out I'd prefer a flaming pushbike to walking.
    Well done to you for thinking about the fact that one of the most important part of riding is indeed the aural pleasure of hearing an exhaust bark. No matter if its a v10 or a HD its a big part of the experience. How many of us wind the window down if we see a muscle car in the traffic just to hear old school twin pipes? Your 20 yr old kids only know turbo 4 cyl and blow off valves, their kids will only remember electric cars and bikes........fuck were getting old!
  • Ratbob Posts: 933
    Adelaide Hills
    Performance Poster Ratbob
    08 Jan 2019 09:42 PM
    Hey Pauly, wadayamean “getting” old. 
    Livewire at 40k AUD in the US, wonder what it will be landed in Aus. If 40k, that’s still a lot for a bike with such a limited range. Like the acceleration stats though.

  • Phelics Posts: 66
    Stock Poster Phelics
    08 Jan 2019 09:49 PM
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  • Phelics Posts: 66
    Stock Poster Phelics
    08 Jan 2019 09:51 PM
    Even as just concepts, these are ridiculous and would have been unthinkable not long ago. HD making bicycles? With electronic assist? 
  • Far Canal Posts: 1575
    Motor Head Far Canal
    08 Jan 2019 09:56 PM
    When the inventor of the umbrella first demonstrated their invention, everyone who witnessed it fell to the ground in uncontrollable hysterical laughter.
  • JFE Posts: 1493
    NSW
    Performance Poster JFE
    08 Jan 2019 09:59 PM
    The Livewire is overpriced, with just too short a range - 177 ? Really? At what speed etc? At 100 or commuting? Maybe Oz HD will include a couple of solar panels to make you self-sufficient.

    Good on them for tackling this market - I wish them success. It might end up subsidising the real motorcycle part of the business (largely kidding there, sort of).


  • Phelics Posts: 66
    Stock Poster Phelics
    08 Jan 2019 10:00 PM
    Quoting Far Canal on 08 Jan 2019 09:56 PM
    When the inventor of the umbrella first demonstrated their invention, everyone who witnessed it fell to the ground in uncontrollable hysterical laughter.
    Not saying these aren’t great. I mean, objectively, they are. But from HARLEY?! Can they get any further away from their origins. 

    No other motorcycle company is putting out anything near this radical. For the most traditional company to do so is amazing. 

    I, for one, wish to reserve me some HD spokey dokies to give the bikes the necessary and appropriate sound. 
  • paulybronco Posts: 11422
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    08 Jan 2019 11:38 PM
    Quoting Phelics on 08 Jan 2019 09:51 PM
    Even as just concepts, these are ridiculous and would have been unthinkable not long ago. HD making bicycles? With electronic assist? 
    HD has made bicycles before this.
  • paulybronco Posts: 11422
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    08 Jan 2019 11:40 PM
    Quoting Ratbob on 08 Jan 2019 09:42 PM
    Hey Pauly, wadayamean “getting” old. 
    Livewire at 40k AUD in the US, wonder what it will be landed in Aus. If 40k, that’s still a lot for a bike with such a limited range. Like the acceleration stats though.

    40k is our conversion price.....and Leeroy we are both old buggers!
  • Wideglider Posts: 547
    Illawarra NSW
    Performance Poster Wideglider
    08 Jan 2019 11:50 PM
    Quoting Far Canal on 08 Jan 2019 09:56 PM
    When the inventor of the umbrella first demonstrated their invention, everyone who witnessed it fell to the ground in uncontrollable hysterical laughter.
    ....everyone in their yellow raincoats & hats who witnessed it fell to the ground in uncontrollable hysterical laughter.
  • Ratbob Posts: 933
    Adelaide Hills
    Performance Poster Ratbob
    09 Jan 2019 07:58 AM
    Quoting Phelics on 08 Jan 2019 09:51 PM
    Even as just concepts, these are ridiculous and would have been unthinkable not long ago. HD making bicycles? With electronic assist? 
    Quoting paulybronco on 08 Jan 2019 11:38 PM
    HD has made bicycles before this.
    Yeah and golf carts, Elvis had one.
  • paulybronco Posts: 11422
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    09 Jan 2019 09:09 AM
    Quoting Phelics on 08 Jan 2019 09:51 PM
    Even as just concepts, these are ridiculous and would have been unthinkable not long ago. HD making bicycles? With electronic assist? 
    Quoting paulybronco on 08 Jan 2019 11:38 PM
    HD has made bicycles before this.
    Quoting Ratbob on 09 Jan 2019 07:58 AM
    Yeah and golf carts, Elvis had one.
    And even motorhomes, they were not branded with HD but the company owned Holiday Rambler and later sold it to Monaco Coach Company
  • Phelics Posts: 66
    Stock Poster Phelics
    09 Jan 2019 09:28 AM
    Quoting paulybronco on 08 Jan 2019 11:38 PM
    HD has made bicycles before this.
    Quoting Ratbob on 09 Jan 2019 07:58 AM
    Yeah and golf carts, Elvis had one.
    Quoting paulybronco on 09 Jan 2019 09:09 AM
    And even motorhomes, they were not branded with HD but the company owned Holiday Rambler and later sold it to Monaco Coach Company
    And these were all failures, right? Or at least, failures to expand the company’s range long term. 
  • Phelics Posts: 66
    Stock Poster Phelics
    09 Jan 2019 09:38 AM
    Keeps giving - new industry cost estimate is now in the mid $40ks. 

    This is fanciful stuff, if the current specs remain as at the release date. This bike needs to do 300+ kms and be a whisker under $30k out the door if it wants to have any meaningful chance of success. 


  • paulybronco Posts: 11422
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    09 Jan 2019 09:45 AM
    Quoting Ratbob on 09 Jan 2019 07:58 AM
    Yeah and golf carts, Elvis had one.
    Quoting paulybronco on 09 Jan 2019 09:09 AM
    And even motorhomes, they were not branded with HD but the company owned Holiday Rambler and later sold it to Monaco Coach Company
    Quoting Phelics on 09 Jan 2019 09:28 AMedited: 09 Jan 2019 09:38 AM
    And these were all failures, right? Or at least, failures to expand the company’s range long term. 
    Yep a big tear up .....$105million loss or around the full turnover for 12mths
  • steelo Posts: 2340
    Adelaide
    Motor Head steelo
    09 Jan 2019 09:47 AM
    All they need is a "mr fusion" style reactor that will enable the bike to get 150kms before needing replenishment with a cup of coffee (same as the rider)
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