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  • Moulis Posts: 25
    Stock Poster Moulis
    11 Jan 2019 10:05 AM
    Hey there folks
    Just wondering if anybody can help me out with information about tail tidy compliance, or non compliance. I have a Sik Tail fitted to my FXBRS. A few days ago I was stopped by a bike cop and he asked whether or not it was an aftermarket custom. I told him that I bought the bike with it fitted and he said that it may be non compliant because of the distance between the indicators. I've made phone calls and researched this ADR through the Queensland transport website and cant find bugger all. 

    Anyone shed any light on this for me?
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  • Ken in Cairns Posts: 286
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    Stage 1 Poster Ken in Cairns
    11 Jan 2019 11:15 AM
    Can you get onto an authorized  reseller and ask, they should know.  The ADR's are Federal not State, it is ADR 19/01.
    https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C00338
  • paulybronco Posts: 10996
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    11 Jan 2019 11:29 AM
    Yes there are ADR rules that stipulate width, handlebar heights etc. Off to wk will try tomorrow to fire you a link
  • Muzza Wa Posts: 252
    Stage 1 Poster Muzza Wa
    11 Jan 2019 03:51 PM
    Hope this helps?

    I found this here :-https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016C00338

    Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 19/01 – Installation of Lighting and Light-Signalling Devices on L-Group Vehicles) 2007


    6.3. DIRECTION-INDICATOR LAMP

    6.3.1. Number

                       Two per side.

    6.3.2. Arrangement

                       Two front indicators (category 1 as specified in Regulation No. 6 or category 11 specified in Regulation No. 50).

                       Two rear indicators (category 2 as specified in Regulation No. 6 or category 12 specified in Regulation No. 50).

    6.3.3. Position

    6.3.3.1. in width: For front indicators, the following requirements shall all be met:

                       1. there shall be a minimum distance of 240 mm between illuminating surfaces,

                       2. the indicators shall be situated outside the longitudinal vertical plane tangential to the outer edges of the illuminating surface of the headlamp(s),

                       3. there shall be a minimum distance between the illuminating surface of the indicators and passing beam headlamp closest to one another as follows:

    Minimum Indicator intensity (cd)

    Minimum Separation (mm)

     

                       For rear indicators, the clearance between the inner edges of the two illuminating surfaces shall be at least 180 mm on the condition that the prescriptions of paragraph 2.11. are applied even when the registration plate is mounted;

    6.3.3.2. in height: not less than 350 mm nor more than 1,200 mm above the ground;

    6.3.3.3. in length: the forward distance between the centre reference of the rear indicators and the transverse plane which constitutes the rearmost limit of the vehicle’s over-all length shall not exceed 300 mm.

    6.3.4. Geometric visibility

                       Horizontal angles: 20 degrees inwards, 80 degrees outwards

                       Vertical angles; 15 degrees above and below the horizontal.

                       The vertical angle below the horizontal may be reduced to 5 degrees , however, if the height of the lamps is less than 750 mm.

    6.3.5. Orientation

                       The front direction indicators may move in line with the steering angle.

    6.3.6. May not be “combined” with any other lamp.

    6.3.7. May not be “reciprocally incorporated” with any other lamp.

    6.3.8. Electrical connections

                       Direction-indicator lamps shall switch on independently of the other lamps. All direction-indicator lamps on one side of a vehicle shall be switched on and off by means of one control.

    6.3.9. “Operating” tell-tale

                       Mandatory. This may be optical or auditory or both. If it is optical it shall be (a) flashing green lamp(s), which, in the event of defective operation of any of the direction indicators, is extinguished, remains alight without flashing, or shows a marked change of frequency.

    6.3.10. Other requirements

                       The characteristics indicated below shall be measured with no other load on the electrical system than that required for the operation of the engine and the lighting devices. For all vehicles:

    6.3.10.1. the light flashing frequency shall be 90 +/- 30 times per minute;

    6.3.10.2. the flashing of the direction indicators on the same side of the vehicle may occur synchronously or alternately;

    6.3.10.3. operation of the light-signal control shall be followed within not more than one second by the appearance of the light and within not more than one-and-one half seconds by the first extinction of the light.

    6.3.10.4. In the event of failure, other than a short circuit, of one direction indicator lamp, the other(s) direction indicator lamp(s) indicating the same direction must continue to flash or remain alight, but the frequency in this condition may be different from that prescribed.
  • Moulis Posts: 25
    Stock Poster Moulis
    11 Jan 2019 04:59 PM
    Cheers Guys

    Been in touch with the re seller and also a motorcycle roadworthy inspector. They said that the distance between the illuminating surfaces needs to be 180mm. The illuminating surfaces on mine also has the inner LEDs as tail lights. When I measured between the 2 indicators when they are flashing on the hazard lights, the distance apart is 210mm. This according to everybody I have contacted is compliant and that's what I'll be informing the next cop that pulls me up. 

    The cop also said the smoke coloured lenses on my front indicators had to be removed and replaced with the amber stock lenses. Wrong. The front indicators have amber bulbs installed they only need to flash amber.

    It took a few phone calls to get it sorted but hopefully I've got the right answers for the next time I get stopped.
    Thanks for the information guys. :)

  • paulybronco Posts: 10996
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    12 Jan 2019 04:29 PM
    Quoting Moulis on 11 Jan 2019 04:59 PM
    Cheers Guys

    Been in touch with the re seller and also a motorcycle roadworthy inspector. They said that the distance between the illuminating surfaces needs to be 180mm. The illuminating surfaces on mine also has the inner LEDs as tail lights. When I measured between the 2 indicators when they are flashing on the hazard lights, the distance apart is 210mm. This according to everybody I have contacted is compliant and that's what I'll be informing the next cop that pulls me up. 

    The cop also said the smoke coloured lenses on my front indicators had to be removed and replaced with the amber stock lenses. Wrong. The front indicators have amber bulbs installed they only need to flash amber.

    It took a few phone calls to get it sorted but hopefully I've got the right answers for the next time I get stopped.
    Thanks for the information guys. :)

    Being technically correct may be of little consequence should a cop decide that the bike is going to get a defect. This means a QLD transport inspection with the associated fuck around and the strong probability of questions raised re exhaust etc. When they defect you the onus is on you to prove otherwise. At that point you can try to argue the ADR compliance but they might just head to the non ADR compliant exhaust, air cleaner etc. Most bikes could/would be defected if they were to be pit inspected anyway


  • Moulis Posts: 25
    Stock Poster Moulis
    12 Jan 2019 06:57 PM
    Quoting Moulis on 11 Jan 2019 04:59 PM
    Cheers Guys

    Been in touch with the re seller and also a motorcycle roadworthy inspector. They said that the distance between the illuminating surfaces needs to be 180mm. The illuminating surfaces on mine also has the inner LEDs as tail lights. When I measured between the 2 indicators when they are flashing on the hazard lights, the distance apart is 210mm. This according to everybody I have contacted is compliant and that's what I'll be informing the next cop that pulls me up. 

    The cop also said the smoke coloured lenses on my front indicators had to be removed and replaced with the amber stock lenses. Wrong. The front indicators have amber bulbs installed they only need to flash amber.

    It took a few phone calls to get it sorted but hopefully I've got the right answers for the next time I get stopped.
    Thanks for the information guys. :)

    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 04:29 PM
    Being technically correct may be of little consequence should a cop decide that the bike is going to get a defect. This means a QLD transport inspection with the associated fuck around and the strong probability of questions raised re exhaust etc. When they defect you the onus is on you to prove otherwise. At that point you can try to argue the ADR compliance but they might just head to the non ADR compliant exhaust, air cleaner etc. Most bikes could/would be defected if they were to be pit inspected anyway


    I had figured out that he had pulled me over for no other reason other than to sus the bike out. I thought it may have been the exhaust or tail tidy. I have had correspondence via email and phone yesterday with the guy who actually builds these tail tidies. He has sold a massive amount of these in the past year and is in the process of having the unit come with a document of compliance. He is also supplying every retailer with selling them with the same document so there is no grey area in the future. I'm sure if the cop new I was definitely non compliant he would have defected me. He seemed like an ok guy. Maybe the fact that I was wearing a GoPro helped my cause a little??


  • paulybronco Posts: 10996
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    12 Jan 2019 07:49 PM
    Quoting Moulis on 11 Jan 2019 04:59 PM
    Cheers Guys

    Been in touch with the re seller and also a motorcycle roadworthy inspector. They said that the distance between the illuminating surfaces needs to be 180mm. The illuminating surfaces on mine also has the inner LEDs as tail lights. When I measured between the 2 indicators when they are flashing on the hazard lights, the distance apart is 210mm. This according to everybody I have contacted is compliant and that's what I'll be informing the next cop that pulls me up. 

    The cop also said the smoke coloured lenses on my front indicators had to be removed and replaced with the amber stock lenses. Wrong. The front indicators have amber bulbs installed they only need to flash amber.

    It took a few phone calls to get it sorted but hopefully I've got the right answers for the next time I get stopped.
    Thanks for the information guys. :)

    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 04:29 PM
    Being technically correct may be of little consequence should a cop decide that the bike is going to get a defect. This means a QLD transport inspection with the associated fuck around and the strong probability of questions raised re exhaust etc. When they defect you the onus is on you to prove otherwise. At that point you can try to argue the ADR compliance but they might just head to the non ADR compliant exhaust, air cleaner etc. Most bikes could/would be defected if they were to be pit inspected anyway


    Quoting Moulis on 12 Jan 2019 06:57 PM
    I had figured out that he had pulled me over for no other reason other than to sus the bike out. I thought it may have been the exhaust or tail tidy. I have had correspondence via email and phone yesterday with the guy who actually builds these tail tidies. He has sold a massive amount of these in the past year and is in the process of having the unit come with a document of compliance. He is also supplying every retailer with selling them with the same document so there is no grey area in the future. I'm sure if the cop new I was definitely non compliant he would have defected me. He seemed like an ok guy. Maybe the fact that I was wearing a GoPro helped my cause a little??


    Funny you mention a go pro.....not all that long ago the cops were targeting them as well even though their bike cops had a similar setup! 
  • Moulis Posts: 25
    Stock Poster Moulis
    12 Jan 2019 09:32 PM
    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 04:29 PM
    Being technically correct may be of little consequence should a cop decide that the bike is going to get a defect. This means a QLD transport inspection with the associated fuck around and the strong probability of questions raised re exhaust etc. When they defect you the onus is on you to prove otherwise. At that point you can try to argue the ADR compliance but they might just head to the non ADR compliant exhaust, air cleaner etc. Most bikes could/would be defected if they were to be pit inspected anyway


    Quoting Moulis on 12 Jan 2019 06:57 PM
    I had figured out that he had pulled me over for no other reason other than to sus the bike out. I thought it may have been the exhaust or tail tidy. I have had correspondence via email and phone yesterday with the guy who actually builds these tail tidies. He has sold a massive amount of these in the past year and is in the process of having the unit come with a document of compliance. He is also supplying every retailer with selling them with the same document so there is no grey area in the future. I'm sure if the cop new I was definitely non compliant he would have defected me. He seemed like an ok guy. Maybe the fact that I was wearing a GoPro helped my cause a little??


    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 07:49 PM
    Funny you mention a go pro.....not all that long ago the cops were targeting them as well even though their bike cops had a similar setup! 
    Really haha? I've only been riding on the roads with one since I got this bike. I wonder what the reason would be for targeting them? Maybe because they might fly off. Just about every car has a dash cam these days. I have a mate who drives a car and he pulls his phone out and starts recording when he gets pulled over. Drives the cops mad he reckons...
  • paulybronco Posts: 10996
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    12 Jan 2019 09:57 PM
    Quoting Moulis on 12 Jan 2019 06:57 PM
    I had figured out that he had pulled me over for no other reason other than to sus the bike out. I thought it may have been the exhaust or tail tidy. I have had correspondence via email and phone yesterday with the guy who actually builds these tail tidies. He has sold a massive amount of these in the past year and is in the process of having the unit come with a document of compliance. He is also supplying every retailer with selling them with the same document so there is no grey area in the future. I'm sure if the cop new I was definitely non compliant he would have defected me. He seemed like an ok guy. Maybe the fact that I was wearing a GoPro helped my cause a little??


    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 07:49 PM
    Funny you mention a go pro.....not all that long ago the cops were targeting them as well even though their bike cops had a similar setup! 
    Quoting Moulis on 12 Jan 2019 09:32 PM
    Really haha? I've only been riding on the roads with one since I got this bike. I wonder what the reason would be for targeting them? Maybe because they might fly off. Just about every car has a dash cam these days. I have a mate who drives a car and he pulls his phone out and starts recording when he gets pulled over. Drives the cops mad he reckons...
    They were claiming some nonsense about the integrity of the helmet being compromised ...
  • Moulis Posts: 25
    Stock Poster Moulis
    12 Jan 2019 10:06 PM
    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 07:49 PM
    Funny you mention a go pro.....not all that long ago the cops were targeting them as well even though their bike cops had a similar setup! 
    Quoting Moulis on 12 Jan 2019 09:32 PM
    Really haha? I've only been riding on the roads with one since I got this bike. I wonder what the reason would be for targeting them? Maybe because they might fly off. Just about every car has a dash cam these days. I have a mate who drives a car and he pulls his phone out and starts recording when he gets pulled over. Drives the cops mad he reckons...
    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 09:57 PM
    They were claiming some nonsense about the integrity of the helmet being compromised ...
    Yeah figures. I work in construction and its funny how attaching anything to a helmet (or hard hat) seems to compromise the integrity of them. Union sticker and sharpies seem to weaken a hard hat at work according to Contractors. ;) I had my GoPro on a chest harness but I'm seeing heaps of moto vloggers  attaching GoPro's and Sena type coms to helmets.
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