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  • Dan069 Posts: 20
    Central coast nsw
    Stock Poster Dan069
    12 Jan 2019 08:47 AM
    Hi  everyone just wanting some advice from all you knowledgeable people had a  stage 3 screaming eagle kit put in my 17 wideglide  all good except it pings between 2200 rpm and 3000 rpm been back to dealer same old story they all do it any advice would be welcome thanks Dan69
  • daddyracer56 Posts: 1923
    the concrete jungle - SYDNEY
    Motor Head daddyracer56
    12 Jan 2019 11:27 AM
    are you using BP98 or caltex 98 , not shell , ?, bike needs a good dyno tune by the sound of it , or cam is to much cranking pressure down low for the comp ratio used, they should be able to pull some timing's out around this rev range if they know what there doing ?
  • fatbat Posts: 2721
    Forum Legend fatbat
    12 Jan 2019 12:51 PM
    What’s the stage 3 kit? As in what compression, what cams? As mentioned it could be a combination of parts, fuel, timing, weather etc. A good dyno tune (not involving a dealer) will often eliminate detonation and make for a better ride all round 
  • brash Posts: 604
    Performance Poster brash
    12 Jan 2019 12:54 PM
    just judging by the rpm range you stated, sounds like rocker arm slop. Always in that 400rpm band.

    Ping/detonation is very distinctive noise, get out of it as soon as you hear it. The hot weather doesn't help things either.

    If it's a dealer install, the maps they run are full of fuel and pretty conservative on the timing, unless you have upped the comp with a base gasket or something out of the ordinary. Every Screamin Budgy tune i've examined runs the fuel like a flat out garden hose.
  • robots Posts: 1125
    Performance Poster robots
    12 Jan 2019 01:11 PM
    Try dropping down a gear and see if it’s goes, 

    Try upping VE table 3-4 pts in 2000-3000rpm, then adjust timing, your timing should pretty much be linear if plotted on graph

    Also you can get crap fuel. I steer clear of small BP’s in country areas. Try to get at freeway outlet.
  • Dan069 Posts: 20
    Central coast nsw
    Stock Poster Dan069
    12 Jan 2019 01:20 PM
    Hi guys thanks for the reply’s the kit has10.5 pistons and se585cams and a heavy breather and a road rage 2 pipe and yes it only pings when I’m riding like a old woman and when under 110 km in 6 gear yes only bp 98 And yes if I go down a gear pinging goes away maybe I should just ride harder 
  • robots Posts: 1125
    Performance Poster robots
    12 Jan 2019 01:55 PM
    ok cool

  • Wideglider Posts: 404
    Illawarra NSW
    Stage 1 Poster Wideglider
    12 Jan 2019 03:22 PM
    Quoting daddyracer56 on 12 Jan 2019 11:27 AM
    are you using BP98 or caltex 98 , not shell , ?, bike needs a good dyno tune by the sound of it , or cam is to much cranking pressure down low for the comp ratio used, they should be able to pull some timing's out around this rev range if they know what there doing ?
    Why not Shell's hi-octane offering?

  • fatbat Posts: 2721
    Forum Legend fatbat
    12 Jan 2019 03:47 PM
    Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 01:20 PMedited: 12 Jan 2019 01:43 PM
    Hi guys thanks for the reply’s the kit has10.5 pistons and se585cams and a heavy breather and a road rage 2 pipe and yes it only pings when I’m riding like a old woman and when under 110 km in 6 gear yes only bp 98 And yes if I go down a gear pinging goes away maybe I should just ride harder 
    That cam's intake close timing is a bit early for 10.5 compression. It'd need a good tune. Most running 10.5 compression use cams with a later intake closing closer to 45 degrees. 
  • paulybronco Posts: 10704
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    12 Jan 2019 04:34 PM
    Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 08:47 AM
    Hi  everyone just wanting some advice from all you knowledgeable people had a  stage 3 screaming eagle kit put in my 17 wideglide  all good except it pings between 2200 rpm and 3000 rpm been back to dealer same old story they all do it any advice would be welcome thanks Dan69
    More info please Dan, comp, cam, heads and was it a canned tune or did they dyno it...
  • Dan069 Posts: 20
    Central coast nsw
    Stock Poster Dan069
    12 Jan 2019 05:39 PM
    Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 08:47 AM
    Hi  everyone just wanting some advice from all you knowledgeable people had a  stage 3 screaming eagle kit put in my 17 wideglide  all good except it pings between 2200 rpm and 3000 rpm been back to dealer same old story they all do it any advice would be welcome thanks Dan69
    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 04:34 PM
    More info please Dan, comp, cam, heads and was it a canned tune or did they dyno it...
    Hi Paul 10.5 comp se 585 cams stock heads with HD springs only canned map not dynoed yet thanks 
  • paulybronco Posts: 10704
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    12 Jan 2019 06:20 PM
    Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 08:47 AM
    Hi  everyone just wanting some advice from all you knowledgeable people had a  stage 3 screaming eagle kit put in my 17 wideglide  all good except it pings between 2200 rpm and 3000 rpm been back to dealer same old story they all do it any advice would be welcome thanks Dan69
    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 04:34 PM
    More info please Dan, comp, cam, heads and was it a canned tune or did they dyno it...
    Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 05:39 PM
    Hi Paul 10.5 comp se 585 cams stock heads with HD springs only canned map not dynoed yet thanks 
    Dan i think the glaring clue is in the last 6 words.  Is this a brand new install?
  • Dan069 Posts: 20
    Central coast nsw
    Stock Poster Dan069
    13 Jan 2019 09:38 AM
    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 04:34 PM
    More info please Dan, comp, cam, heads and was it a canned tune or did they dyno it...
    Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 05:39 PM
    Hi Paul 10.5 comp se 585 cams stock heads with HD springs only canned map not dynoed yet thanks 
    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 06:20 PM
    Dan i think the glaring clue is in the last 6 words.  Is this a brand new install?
    Hi no done about 5000ks on it I think I’m going to get it dynoed at ApL at Windsor  when money allows they want $1000 but people seem to rate them 
  • Ratbob Posts: 592
    Adelaide Hills
    Performance Poster Ratbob
    13 Jan 2019 11:37 AM
    Jeeze Dan, guess you know pinging can be caused by excessive heat exacerbated by a lean tune which in turn can burn holes in pistons and sieze engines. Fitting that kit without a tune is simple bravery or lunacy. Hopefully 5000k hasn’t already done some damage.  Do it right or don’t do it mate.
  • brash Posts: 604
    Performance Poster brash
    13 Jan 2019 12:31 PM
    Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 05:39 PM
    Hi Paul 10.5 comp se 585 cams stock heads with HD springs only canned map not dynoed yet thanks 
    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 06:20 PM
    Dan i think the glaring clue is in the last 6 words.  Is this a brand new install?
    Quoting Dan069 on 13 Jan 2019 09:38 AM
    Hi no done about 5000ks on it I think I’m going to get it dynoed at ApL at Windsor  when money allows they want $1000 but people seem to rate them 
    I wouldn't let that guy tune my lawnmower, but the fanboys will come flocking. I won't divulge a whole lot, but I'm rebuilding a guys sporty who got the APL "climate control dyno tune" that turned the pistons into molten paperweights.
  • robots Posts: 1125
    Performance Poster robots
    13 Jan 2019 12:40 PM
    plugs show lean? timing mark? detonation on plug?

    you can add fuel at VE table, check timing table if you can access your tune file

    basic internal combustion engines
  • Dan069 Posts: 20
    Central coast nsw
    Stock Poster Dan069
    13 Jan 2019 02:20 PM
    Quoting robots on 13 Jan 2019 12:40 PM
    plugs show lean? timing mark? detonation on plug?

    you can add fuel at VE table, check timing table if you can access your tune file

    basic internal combustion engines
    Hi pulled plugs nice grey colour motor doesn’t run any hotter than any others does anyone have any recommendations for dyno tunning Sydney preferred central Coast thanks again for everyone’s feedback learning heaps thanks 
  • fatbat Posts: 2721
    Forum Legend fatbat
    13 Jan 2019 04:14 PM
    Plugs may only show general fuel mix. You'd need to sample data all over and know what you're doing to detect and correct fuel mix issues at all rpms and manifold pressures. 

    Ditto for ignition timing which will be a big consideration for your bike with that cam and compression. 

    LA Cycles at hoxton Park has a good rep although I haven't used them. I believe they dyno tune 
  • paulybronco Posts: 10704
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    13 Jan 2019 05:30 PM
    Quoting robots on 13 Jan 2019 12:40 PM
    plugs show lean? timing mark? detonation on plug?

    you can add fuel at VE table, check timing table if you can access your tune file

    basic internal combustion engines
    Quoting Dan069 on 13 Jan 2019 02:20 PM
    Hi pulled plugs nice grey colour motor doesn’t run any hotter than any others does anyone have any recommendations for dyno tunning Sydney preferred central Coast thanks again for everyone’s feedback learning heaps thanks 
    Any Sydney based boys able to assist with a tuner recommendation here....?
  • robots Posts: 1125
    Performance Poster robots
    13 Jan 2019 06:54 PM
    Unfortunately, never get to see just how bad peoples “canned” map is vs. dyno tune with so many of the tune files corrupted.

    The license system Dynojet PV has introduced also a concern. 

    2000-3000rpm


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