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  • MusaM Posts: 1
    Stock Poster MusaM
    24 Jan 2019 09:47 AM
    Hey guys,

    First time on the forums but wanting to know some info/opinions on the iron 883 to 1200 conversion. I’ve got a few quotes ranging from $2500 to $6500 obviously amount of work varies the price. Just wondering is it worth going all out and leaving no stone unturned with barells, cams, pushrods, throttle body etc (100+hp) or mid range which is standard conversion with cams?? Is there a huge difference in performance considering the price? 

    Regards 
  • The Scotsman Posts: 7
    Stock Poster The Scotsman
    24 Jan 2019 09:56 AM
    Just a thought lad what's the change over price on a new 1200 ? Or a demo maybe save a wee bit there.
  • TC883 Posts: 615
    Wollongong
    Performance Poster TC883
    28 Jan 2019 03:32 PM
    Quoting MusaM on 24 Jan 2019 09:47 AM
    Hey guys,

    First time on the forums but wanting to know some info/opinions on the iron 883 to 1200 conversion. I’ve got a few quotes ranging from $2500 to $6500 obviously amount of work varies the price. Just wondering is it worth going all out and leaving no stone unturned with barells, cams, pushrods, throttle body etc (100+hp) or mid range which is standard conversion with cams?? Is there a huge difference in performance considering the price? 

    Regards 
    Welcome. Check out these guys:

    http://www.hammerperf.com/sportster.shtml

    Even if you don’t decide to use their products, the run down on how to extract performance and what is needed from a sporty engine is fantastic. Basically, if you stick with the 883 heads, options for cams etc are limited at best, with HP output similarly limited. Agree with above - unless you are in love with every other part of the bike, look at trading up to a 1200 maybe? TC
  • Krash Kinkade Posts: 2554
    Forum Legend Krash Kinkade
    29 Jan 2019 08:37 AM
    Quoting MusaM on 24 Jan 2019 09:47 AM
    Hey guys,

    First time on the forums but wanting to know some info/opinions on the iron 883 to 1200 conversion. I’ve got a few quotes ranging from $2500 to $6500 obviously amount of work varies the price. Just wondering is it worth going all out and leaving no stone unturned with barells, cams, pushrods, throttle body etc (100+hp) or mid range which is standard conversion with cams?? Is there a huge difference in performance considering the price? 

    Regards 
    basically  I would expect a 883 to have around 55ft pound of torque or (75nm) & a 1200 to have around 74 ft pound torque or 100nm. that is what you would feel the most.
    but as they come it is not just the engine size , it is also the heads 883has smaller valves than the 1200, as tc883 has posted Hammer have a lot of information on there page. years ago it was easy as both used same barrels , with 883 having a thicker linner than the 1200, you could take 1/4" out the bore, for some shops that takes a lot of time but I know a guy with a machine that takes 1/4" out in one run perfectly straight & true. but the new 883 does not share the same barrels. if your thinking you want a 1200 buy one, if an 883 works well for you buy that. you won';t save $ buying 883 then converting to 1200.
  • Omzz48 Posts: 66
    Melbourne
    Stock Poster Omzz48
    29 Jan 2019 11:33 AM
    Hey mate, I use to have an 883 with 1200 SS conversion with the cams now own a 48, 
    My input get it done properly with a good tune, it’s 100% worth it. I pulled about 90 hp and I can tell you it went harder than my 48 now. If your in Melbourne I can recommend a mechanic. 

  • Scouser Posts: 1873
    Marion, South Australia
    Motor Head Scouser
    29 Jan 2019 04:10 PM
    Quoting Omzz48 on 29 Jan 2019 11:33 AM
    Hey mate, I use to have an 883 with 1200 SS conversion with the cams now own a 48, 
    My input get it done properly with a good tune, it’s 100% worth it. I pulled about 90 hp and I can tell you it went harder than my 48 now. If your in Melbourne I can recommend a mechanic. 

    But what if you spent the same money on your 48?
  • steelo Posts: 2440
    Adelaide
    Motor Head steelo
    29 Jan 2019 04:30 PM
    I wouldn't do it. Get cams, tune etc but don't change the capacity. It'll never be "the same"
    You "could" have issues re registering / compliance / selling it. Who will want to spend the money you have on it when they can spend the same coin on another bike. It's not a classic.
    Hang onto it as long as you can then trade it.
  • Omzz48 Posts: 66
    Melbourne
    Stock Poster Omzz48
    29 Jan 2019 06:56 PM
    Quoting Omzz48 on 29 Jan 2019 11:33 AM
    Hey mate, I use to have an 883 with 1200 SS conversion with the cams now own a 48, 
    My input get it done properly with a good tune, it’s 100% worth it. I pulled about 90 hp and I can tell you it went harder than my 48 now. If your in Melbourne I can recommend a mechanic. 

    Quoting Scouser on 29 Jan 2019 04:10 PM
    But what if you spent the same money on your 48?
    I bought it with everything done, re tuned it. My 48 needs a tune and would improve a bit. 
    Re sell vise I actaully sold mine for more than I bought it, you obviously won’t get the money you spent back, getting rwc wasn’t hard either. 
    Your call have a think about it weigh up your options 
  • Krash Kinkade Posts: 2554
    Forum Legend Krash Kinkade
    31 Jan 2019 09:44 PM
    Quoting Omzz48 on 29 Jan 2019 11:33 AM
    Hey mate, I use to have an 883 with 1200 SS conversion with the cams now own a 48, 
    My input get it done properly with a good tune, it’s 100% worth it. I pulled about 90 hp and I can tell you it went harder than my 48 now. If your in Melbourne I can recommend a mechanic. 

    thats cause of the small valves, the 1200 with the 883 valves could make more tq it's the tq you feel not the hp. also 883 has lower gearing. but you can gear a 1200 the same. you could put an 883 gear box Sproket on your 48

  • Krash Kinkade Posts: 2554
    Forum Legend Krash Kinkade
    31 Jan 2019 09:49 PM
    Quoting steelo on 29 Jan 2019 04:30 PM
    I wouldn't do it. Get cams, tune etc but don't change the capacity. It'll never be "the same"
    You "could" have issues re registering / compliance / selling it. Who will want to spend the money you have on it when they can spend the same coin on another bike. It's not a classic.
    Hang onto it as long as you can then trade it.
    I've seen stock cams on a sportster make more HP than after market cams. if you turn a 883 into a 1200 on the cheap, you will have a good performer and cheaper rego in some states. but depends what you want.
  • Ratbob Posts: 1019
    Adelaide Hills
    Performance Poster Ratbob
    01 Feb 2019 09:31 AM
    Quoting steelo on 29 Jan 2019 04:30 PM
    I wouldn't do it. Get cams, tune etc but don't change the capacity. It'll never be "the same"
    You "could" have issues re registering / compliance / selling it. Who will want to spend the money you have on it when they can spend the same coin on another bike. It's not a classic.
    Hang onto it as long as you can then trade it.
    Sage advice Steelo that applies to all bikes, I’ve never met anyone who recoverd the money they spent on engine mods, even accessories.
    Probably because wise used bike buyers associate engine mods with having been given a hard life. 
    It’d be an odd bod who hots up an engine just to putt around.
  • Krash Kinkade Posts: 2554
    Forum Legend Krash Kinkade
    01 Feb 2019 08:50 PM
    Quoting steelo on 29 Jan 2019 04:30 PM
    I wouldn't do it. Get cams, tune etc but don't change the capacity. It'll never be "the same"
    You "could" have issues re registering / compliance / selling it. Who will want to spend the money you have on it when they can spend the same coin on another bike. It's not a classic.
    Hang onto it as long as you can then trade it.
    Quoting Ratbob on 01 Feb 2019 09:31 AM
    Sage advice Steelo that applies to all bikes, I’ve never met anyone who recoverd the money they spent on engine mods, even accessories.
    Probably because wise used bike buyers associate engine mods with having been given a hard life. 
    It’d be an odd bod who hots up an engine just to putt around.
    well I've been lucky always had well set up motors that perform & last. all the Harleys I have owned all good performers and new owners won't sell them.
    but mass production is what stock is and works like that too, when you ride a well set up and fully hand built you would not be happy with mass production.
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