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  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Wideglider on 28 Feb 2019 11:22 AM

    Sounds like an excellent night I agree (wish I was there), I enjoy a party just like the next bloke & no one wants to put a dampener on proceedings.
    Bikes are becoming more complicated (we all know what that means) with the parts count in a bike ever increasing. The "old-beasts" were simpler but still had their issues - just like any bike/car.
    Bike/car manufacturers need to step up to the plate & realise that after sales parts, availability & service on their increasingly complex machines has to be factored in properly/honestly to their business model. One plus I have to say about social media (although I don't use it - apart from forums) is that customer dissatisfaction can be broadcast easily & to a wide audience. Manufacturers are starting to realise that their brand can be hurt easily by adverse reviews & that sometimes no amount of product advertising can reverse this.       

    Hey Agree but be aware that most the  car manufacturers have been held to account in Aust for poor customer service, the bike industry has not been yet......
  • Moss
    Moss
    5 years ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 28 Feb 2019 09:24 AM

    Gents i have been mentioning the piss poor service for some time now from HD Aust

    Quoting Nutty on 28 Feb 2019 09:41 AM

    True Pauly. Most just don't realise what a dysfunctional organisation HD is beyond the dealers.

    How the hell can we have a situation where EVERY M8 more than two years old can have a clutch diaphragm fail and there are no parts available world-wide?

    HD started a recall on @250,000 US bikes and @200,000 HDI bikes, then they realise the recall part is a piece of shit. They stop Brembo making that part, shit themselves, and design the THIRD! version of the same part...

    Version three is now in production and they wont be fitted to recall bikes until mid-March. What a complete shithouse.,

    Nutty you seem to know more about the status of the recall than anyone. I took delivery of my used 2017 RK from Gold Coast Harley who delivered it to Melbourne for me. It arrived today. I checked with the dealer before I bought the bike and asked if there was any recall on my bike. He ran the VIN while I was on the phone (so he says) and told me it was all clear. Your post is the first I have heard of the clutch recall.  So I checked  my VIN against the ACCC Product Recall list and sure enough it's on the list.
    Bastards. Clearly its an industry wide recall, and every dealer in the world knows about it. So clearly Gold Coast Harley have been fraudulent in their deceit. 

    I have written to them and told them think I have a case to either get a full refund under cooling off provisions. And asked them to arrange a full service with a dealer in Melbourne to fix the recall. But from what I understand you are saying is that it may be a week or two before dealers even get the part, if at all.

    Here is how the ACCC describe the risk "If the part is not replaced, this may lead to a loss of vehicle control, and the vehicle is unable to disengage when started in gear, first shifted into gear or stopping" 

    Doesn't inspire confidence in taking a chance on it . What was the situation for you when your clutch stopped working?
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 28 Feb 2019 09:24 AM

    Gents i have been mentioning the piss poor service for some time now from HD Aust

    Quoting Nutty on 28 Feb 2019 09:41 AM

    True Pauly. Most just don't realise what a dysfunctional organisation HD is beyond the dealers.

    How the hell can we have a situation where EVERY M8 more than two years old can have a clutch diaphragm fail and there are no parts available world-wide?

    HD started a recall on @250,000 US bikes and @200,000 HDI bikes, then they realise the recall part is a piece of shit. They stop Brembo making that part, shit themselves, and design the THIRD! version of the same part...

    Version three is now in production and they wont be fitted to recall bikes until mid-March. What a complete shithouse.,

    Quoting Moss on 06 Mar 2019 10:10 AM

    Nutty you seem to know more about the status of the recall than anyone. I took delivery of my used 2017 RK from Gold Coast Harley who delivered it to Melbourne for me. It arrived today. I checked with the dealer before I bought the bike and asked if there was any recall on my bike. He ran the VIN while I was on the phone (so he says) and told me it was all clear. Your post is the first I have heard of the clutch recall.  So I checked  my VIN against the ACCC Product Recall list and sure enough it's on the list.
    Bastards. Clearly its an industry wide recall, and every dealer in the world knows about it. So clearly Gold Coast Harley have been fraudulent in their deceit. 

    I have written to them and told them think I have a case to either get a full refund under cooling off provisions. And asked them to arrange a full service with a dealer in Melbourne to fix the recall. But from what I understand you are saying is that it may be a week or two before dealers even get the part, if at all.

    Here is how the ACCC describe the risk "If the part is not replaced, this may lead to a loss of vehicle control, and the vehicle is unable to disengage when started in gear, first shifted into gear or stopping" 

    Doesn't inspire confidence in taking a chance on it . What was the situation for you when your clutch stopped working?

    Get used to lying and cheating now you have a HD with the dealers. 
  • Moss
    Moss
    5 years ago
    Quoting Nutty on 28 Feb 2019 09:41 AM

    True Pauly. Most just don't realise what a dysfunctional organisation HD is beyond the dealers.

    How the hell can we have a situation where EVERY M8 more than two years old can have a clutch diaphragm fail and there are no parts available world-wide?

    HD started a recall on @250,000 US bikes and @200,000 HDI bikes, then they realise the recall part is a piece of shit. They stop Brembo making that part, shit themselves, and design the THIRD! version of the same part...

    Version three is now in production and they wont be fitted to recall bikes until mid-March. What a complete shithouse.,

    Quoting Moss on 06 Mar 2019 10:10 AM

    Nutty you seem to know more about the status of the recall than anyone. I took delivery of my used 2017 RK from Gold Coast Harley who delivered it to Melbourne for me. It arrived today. I checked with the dealer before I bought the bike and asked if there was any recall on my bike. He ran the VIN while I was on the phone (so he says) and told me it was all clear. Your post is the first I have heard of the clutch recall.  So I checked  my VIN against the ACCC Product Recall list and sure enough it's on the list.
    Bastards. Clearly its an industry wide recall, and every dealer in the world knows about it. So clearly Gold Coast Harley have been fraudulent in their deceit. 

    I have written to them and told them think I have a case to either get a full refund under cooling off provisions. And asked them to arrange a full service with a dealer in Melbourne to fix the recall. But from what I understand you are saying is that it may be a week or two before dealers even get the part, if at all.

    Here is how the ACCC describe the risk "If the part is not replaced, this may lead to a loss of vehicle control, and the vehicle is unable to disengage when started in gear, first shifted into gear or stopping" 

    Doesn't inspire confidence in taking a chance on it . What was the situation for you when your clutch stopped working?

    Quoting paulybronco on 06 Mar 2019 10:59 AM

    Get used to lying and cheating now you have a HD with the dealers. 

    Do I trust the dealer when he tells me the recall was done on the bike on the 3/1/19 and sends me the receipt from Morgan and Wacker or do I assume that the recall was the second attempted fix and that like Nutty said the US headoffice is saying that the third fix isnt out until later this month.?

  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Ford got done for their auto trans
  • Wideglider
    Wideglider
    5 years ago
    Any did their customers get properly compensated?
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Wideglider on 07 Mar 2019 06:47 AM

    Any did their customers get properly compensated?

    Ford paid $10 million for the breach
  • Nutty
    Nutty
    5 years ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 28 Feb 2019 09:24 AM

    Gents i have been mentioning the piss poor service for some time now from HD Aust

    Quoting Nutty on 28 Feb 2019 09:41 AM

    True Pauly. Most just don't realise what a dysfunctional organisation HD is beyond the dealers.

    How the hell can we have a situation where EVERY M8 more than two years old can have a clutch diaphragm fail and there are no parts available world-wide?

    HD started a recall on @250,000 US bikes and @200,000 HDI bikes, then they realise the recall part is a piece of shit. They stop Brembo making that part, shit themselves, and design the THIRD! version of the same part...

    Version three is now in production and they wont be fitted to recall bikes until mid-March. What a complete shithouse.,

    Quoting Moss on 06 Mar 2019 10:10 AM

    Nutty you seem to know more about the status of the recall than anyone. I took delivery of my used 2017 RK from Gold Coast Harley who delivered it to Melbourne for me. It arrived today. I checked with the dealer before I bought the bike and asked if there was any recall on my bike. He ran the VIN while I was on the phone (so he says) and told me it was all clear. Your post is the first I have heard of the clutch recall.  So I checked  my VIN against the ACCC Product Recall list and sure enough it's on the list.
    Bastards. Clearly its an industry wide recall, and every dealer in the world knows about it. So clearly Gold Coast Harley have been fraudulent in their deceit. 

    I have written to them and told them think I have a case to either get a full refund under cooling off provisions. And asked them to arrange a full service with a dealer in Melbourne to fix the recall. But from what I understand you are saying is that it may be a week or two before dealers even get the part, if at all.

    Here is how the ACCC describe the risk "If the part is not replaced, this may lead to a loss of vehicle control, and the vehicle is unable to disengage when started in gear, first shifted into gear or stopping" 

    Doesn't inspire confidence in taking a chance on it . What was the situation for you when your clutch stopped working?

    Mossy, they serviced my bike (warm) and I rode it home. Next morning I roll it into the driveway to start it (in neutral). I went to take off and the clutch was stiff, I squeezed a tad harder and the lever went to the bar. Split slave cylinder diaphragm. The clutch-pack was glued together. I tested the oil they'd put in the primary...80W @ 27C, WTF.
    Thankfully Maddo saved the day through his sponsor Roland Sands Designs, a new billet assembly arrived today. Happy days. :-)
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    5 years ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 07 Mar 2019 06:24 AM

    Ford got done for their auto trans

    was helping our daughter look for a car,found a nice ford focus trend,low km's[48k], price in the budget and daughter happy.so we go home quick google search and there you go...dual clutch trans with major issues across the board,so we continue the search......bells were ringing with low kms and matching price,saved by google.prior to this i had not been aware of this cars faults.
  • Nutty
    Nutty
    5 years ago
    Quoting Moss on 06 Mar 2019 10:10 AM

    Nutty you seem to know more about the status of the recall than anyone. I took delivery of my used 2017 RK from Gold Coast Harley who delivered it to Melbourne for me. It arrived today. I checked with the dealer before I bought the bike and asked if there was any recall on my bike. He ran the VIN while I was on the phone (so he says) and told me it was all clear. Your post is the first I have heard of the clutch recall.  So I checked  my VIN against the ACCC Product Recall list and sure enough it's on the list.
    Bastards. Clearly its an industry wide recall, and every dealer in the world knows about it. So clearly Gold Coast Harley have been fraudulent in their deceit. 

    I have written to them and told them think I have a case to either get a full refund under cooling off provisions. And asked them to arrange a full service with a dealer in Melbourne to fix the recall. But from what I understand you are saying is that it may be a week or two before dealers even get the part, if at all.

    Here is how the ACCC describe the risk "If the part is not replaced, this may lead to a loss of vehicle control, and the vehicle is unable to disengage when started in gear, first shifted into gear or stopping" 

    Doesn't inspire confidence in taking a chance on it . What was the situation for you when your clutch stopped working?

    Quoting paulybronco on 06 Mar 2019 10:59 AM

    Get used to lying and cheating now you have a HD with the dealers. 

    Quoting Moss on 07 Mar 2019 01:11 AM

    Do I trust the dealer when he tells me the recall was done on the bike on the 3/1/19 and sends me the receipt from Morgan and Wacker or do I assume that the recall was the second attempted fix and that like Nutty said the US headoffice is saying that the third fix isnt out until later this month.?

    Bikes that have had the second fix (first recall) WILL NOT BE CALLED IN FOR THE NEW PART (3rd version). You're on your own there, except that HD would have a bloody hard time under NSW law denying you V3 of the part under warranty.
  • Wideglider
    Wideglider
    5 years ago
    Hey, come on - the first year apprentice has got to get hands-on experience somewhere.
  • speedzter
    speedzter
    5 years ago
    Quoting Nutty on 28 Feb 2019 09:41 AM

    True Pauly. Most just don't realise what a dysfunctional organisation HD is beyond the dealers.

    How the hell can we have a situation where EVERY M8 more than two years old can have a clutch diaphragm fail and there are no parts available world-wide?

    HD started a recall on @250,000 US bikes and @200,000 HDI bikes, then they realise the recall part is a piece of shit. They stop Brembo making that part, shit themselves, and design the THIRD! version of the same part...

    Version three is now in production and they wont be fitted to recall bikes until mid-March. What a complete shithouse.,

    Quoting Moss on 06 Mar 2019 10:10 AM

    Nutty you seem to know more about the status of the recall than anyone. I took delivery of my used 2017 RK from Gold Coast Harley who delivered it to Melbourne for me. It arrived today. I checked with the dealer before I bought the bike and asked if there was any recall on my bike. He ran the VIN while I was on the phone (so he says) and told me it was all clear. Your post is the first I have heard of the clutch recall.  So I checked  my VIN against the ACCC Product Recall list and sure enough it's on the list.
    Bastards. Clearly its an industry wide recall, and every dealer in the world knows about it. So clearly Gold Coast Harley have been fraudulent in their deceit. 

    I have written to them and told them think I have a case to either get a full refund under cooling off provisions. And asked them to arrange a full service with a dealer in Melbourne to fix the recall. But from what I understand you are saying is that it may be a week or two before dealers even get the part, if at all.

    Here is how the ACCC describe the risk "If the part is not replaced, this may lead to a loss of vehicle control, and the vehicle is unable to disengage when started in gear, first shifted into gear or stopping" 

    Doesn't inspire confidence in taking a chance on it . What was the situation for you when your clutch stopped working?

    Quoting Nutty on 07 Mar 2019 10:24 AM

    Mossy, they serviced my bike (warm) and I rode it home. Next morning I roll it into the driveway to start it (in neutral). I went to take off and the clutch was stiff, I squeezed a tad harder and the lever went to the bar. Split slave cylinder diaphragm. The clutch-pack was glued together. I tested the oil they'd put in the primary...80W @ 27C, WTF.

    Thankfully Maddo saved the day through his sponsor Roland Sands Designs, a new billet assembly arrived today. Happy days. :-)

    Nutty, You say you measured 80W , what is that relating too, SAE gear or crankcase ?
    As you know SAE 80 gear =  around SAE 20 to 30 Crankcase .

    Also, you can run the correct type/weight of gear oil in the primary, all depends on the additive package.

    Here's a link to one of the popular primary oils:

  • groover
    groover
    5 years ago
    $116 / hour labour charge !!! Who is that with?
    In Sydney the stealers are charging around $135+ / hour !!!!

    The recall is just another Harley debacle.
  • Evo
    Evo
    5 years ago
    Totally sympathise with you blokes on these problems with the latest Harleys.  Once you start adding bells and whistles, the chances of something going wrong increases but the Dealers and the Manufacturer should step up and resolve without the bulltshite.  By the way, I do love my evo's........
  • Nutty
    Nutty
    5 years ago
    Quoting steelo on 26 Feb 2019 09:55 AM

    Don’t despair and give up nutty. More to the brand than that!  

    Cheers Steelo. I kept that in my head for two weeks! All fixed now, AIM-Tamachi slave, primary vent kit and a trick billet gearbox hat. Wayyyy better than stock. 
  • Nutty
    Nutty
    5 years ago
    Quoting Evo on 13 Mar 2019 08:43 PM

    Totally sympathise with you blokes on these problems with the latest Harleys.  Once you start adding bells and whistles, the chances of something going wrong increases but the Dealers and the Manufacturer should step up and resolve without the bulltshite.  By the way, I do love my evo's........

    Hardly "bells and whistles" Evo, my M8 is no different to your evo in the gearbox and primary. The MoCo were successfully making hydraulic clutch versions back in the evo and TC era. Current problems are down to shitty engineering, an inept generation of engineers and a hopeless pre-production testing regime. It's bloody disappointing because out on the open road a M8 shits all over its predecessors. 
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Evo on 13 Mar 2019 08:43 PM

    Totally sympathise with you blokes on these problems with the latest Harleys.  Once you start adding bells and whistles, the chances of something going wrong increases but the Dealers and the Manufacturer should step up and resolve without the bulltshite.  By the way, I do love my evo's........

    Hardly call it bells and whistles
  • Smokey61
    Smokey61
    5 years ago
    Quoting Evo on 13 Mar 2019 08:43 PM

    Totally sympathise with you blokes on these problems with the latest Harleys.  Once you start adding bells and whistles, the chances of something going wrong increases but the Dealers and the Manufacturer should step up and resolve without the bulltshite.  By the way, I do love my evo's........

    Quoting Nutty on 13 Mar 2019 10:23 PM

    Hardly "bells and whistles" Evo, my M8 is no different to your evo in the gearbox and primary. The MoCo were successfully making hydraulic clutch versions back in the evo and TC era. Current problems are down to shitty engineering, an inept generation of engineers and a hopeless pre-production testing regime. It's bloody disappointing because out on the open road a M8 shits all over its predecessors. 

    My '86 Evo had some dodgy engineering and construction, my '12 Widey is built like the job was given to the lowest tender. 

    I prefer Evos.
  • Dorteerts
    Dorteerts
    5 years ago
    It is funny that all Vrods from 2002 had hydraulic clutches that worked (still do) fine. Why did'nt HD just use the same arrangement when the airheads went hydraulic?
  • Nutty
    Nutty
    5 years ago
    Quoting Dorteerts on 22 Mar 2019 01:17 AM

    It is funny that all Vrods from 2002 had hydraulic clutches that worked (still do) fine. Why did'nt HD just use the same arrangement when the airheads went hydraulic?

    That part of a VRod was designed by Porsche, not HD. Make sense now? :-)
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