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  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    5 years ago
    It appears the air from the workshop compressor was full of water. We were trying to run in the motors with too much water in the air.
    If the motors get run in properly(1 hour at low revs) they can handle a bit of water but not out of the box.
    We are now in the process of fitting a decent water separator / drier to the air system. 
    Cheers
  • steelo
    steelo
    5 years ago
    How does that work BB. Running in the motors with compressed air?
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    5 years ago
    These motors actually run on compressed air Steelo.They are used on underground  drill rigs in coal mines  where its too dangerous to have a spark or heat. 
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    5 years ago
    Those bloody big air lines are friggin lethal if they come uncoupled, not seen one go but seen what it did! 
    Did the separator work beages?
  • steelo
    steelo
    5 years ago
    Quoting beaglebasher on 06 Apr 2019 10:16 PM

    These motors actually run on compressed air Steelo.They are used on underground  drill rigs in coal mines  where its too dangerous to have a spark or heat. 

    That’s unreal. Had no idea. Thanks bb. 
  • Ken in Cairns
    Ken in Cairns
    5 years ago
    So no one is draining the air receiver weekly then ??
    Good air supply filter and in line air oiler will make the air motors last a lot longer. 
    A lot of water could lead to micro welding but you should see that on the rings as well as the bores.
    The HP air start motors I work with all have fine mesh inlet filters, they always have grit and crap from the steel supply lines in them. Air oiler after that directly into the motor.
    I would get onto the manufacturer and ask what the specs for the the air supply quality are,  and if an air oiler is required.
    Sounds like the air dryness should be sorted.
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    5 years ago
    ah..theres always someone that knows what going on....you just got to find them and then fire the questions,well done ken.
  • Ken in Cairns
    Ken in Cairns
    5 years ago
    Thanks Bruce.
    I forgot to add that the supply air pressure has to be correct too, to low and the rings will not seal correctly, which leads to jogh blow-by and high crankcase pressure, poor power, too high supply pressure and the ring pressure will be to high. Just pondering the reported bore damage. 
    I am very surprised that the new 9000 dollar motor didnt come with manuals etc.

  • Nutty
    Nutty
    5 years ago
    Quoting beaglebasher on 03 Apr 2019 07:03 AM

    The Globe motor has been manufactured using old school technology. Just like all motors were manufactured back in the day. (The design is at least 50 years old)
    Perhaps I should have been more specific on the type of motor but I was keen to hear peoples opinions anyway.
    So the new question is how did they run in motors back in the day before cross hatch honing and you beaut oils etc.
    We have destroyed 3 brand new motors in the past month and we don't know why. At 9 grand a pop its something I would like to get my head around.
    When we pull them apart the rings look brand new but there is heavy scoring on the cylinders.
    Is this new question allowed Pauly?  And can you stop typing LOL? You come across like a teenage girl

    Now the full story...
    You're blowingotors because they're not well assembled. My local aero-engineer sometimes picks up 30-50HP when blueprinting brand new Lycoming's. Properly re-built from new, the Globe will be fine IMO. No amount of running-in changes will solve your issue. A good engineer in NSW is Croft Engineering in Tomerong. Old Jack there builds a bloody good air-cooled motor. Full machine shop on site, etc.
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    5 years ago
    A quick update on where we are at now. The boss got desperate and bought two new motors from a different manufacturer ( Chinese)
    They lasted less than two hours before they fucked up. I pulled one apart this afternoon and same story, rings hadn't bedded properly and some 
    seriously scored bores.  There was another contributing factor involved but, the exhaust system wasn't flowing freely enough .
    I am now convinced the problem was the initial run in period with too much water in the air.
    Thanks for your input boys
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