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  • 95FXDWG Posts: 13
    Stock Poster 95FXDWG
    25 Apr 2019 04:43 PM
    Hey fellas, super new to HD's and just bought this 95 wide glide. The previous owner didn't take to much care of it and has siliconed the outside of where the primary connects to the case instead of replacing the gasket. Just seeing if there is a primary rebuild kit that includes the gasket? I have attached a photo for reference.  HD Forums Australia - 20190425_082931.jpg

  • Far Canal Posts: 1612
    Motor Head Far Canal
    25 Apr 2019 06:36 PM
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  • fatbat Posts: 2823
    Forum Legend fatbat
    25 Apr 2019 07:45 PM
    Quoting 95FXDWG on 25 Apr 2019 04:43 PM
    Hey fellas, super new to HD's and just bought this 95 wide glide. The previous owner didn't take to much care of it and has siliconed the outside of where the primary connects to the case instead of replacing the gasket. Just seeing if there is a primary rebuild kit that includes the gasket? I have attached a photo for reference.  HD Forums Australia - 20190425_082931.jpg

    Evos are prone to base gasket leak. Seller may have applied a band aid fix for the sale. Often it's only a weep and not a big deal. 

    Lots of gasket kits to replace what you have. James base gasket kit gets a good wrap also take a look at:

  • perthhog Posts: 1626
    Motor Head perthhog
    25 Apr 2019 08:26 PM
    Agree weeps vs leaks. But where that slaz is I would say the engine case primary lip has a crack in it 
    You will have to degrease and clean the slaz off  if it does have crack  there is a repair gasket
    That is made to fix this problem  James make it buy memory I’ve not used one  but apparently 
    That is the fix  or remove engine strip and repair  hopefully I haven’t jinxed you 
    But also there’s  normally a big o ring which goes between the inner primary and engine case lip
    That’s where the o ring sits  so hopefully it’s just a o ring  that needs replacing 
  • 95FXDWG Posts: 13
    Stock Poster 95FXDWG
    25 Apr 2019 09:30 PM
    Cheers fellas, It was pissing oil out on the way home so hopefully not a crack! Ill tear it down and have a look in a few days.
  • Sav117 Posts: 4
    Stock Poster Sav117
    28 Apr 2019 03:06 PM
    I bought mine from Harley directly. The guy who owned my bike before my out Black Silicone on EVERYTHING was really annoying. But got the proper gaskets from Harley and I no more leaks :) 

    Mine is a 96 Fatboy
  • tussuck Posts: 1822
    Melbourne
    Motor Head tussuck
    28 Apr 2019 04:50 PM
    Quoting perthhog on 25 Apr 2019 08:26 PM
    Agree weeps vs leaks. But where that slaz is I would say the engine case primary lip has a crack in it 
    You will have to degrease and clean the slaz off  if it does have crack  there is a repair gasket
    That is made to fix this problem  James make it buy memory I’ve not used one  but apparently 
    That is the fix  or remove engine strip and repair  hopefully I haven’t jinxed you 
    But also there’s  normally a big o ring which goes between the inner primary and engine case lip
    That’s where the o ring sits  so hopefully it’s just a o ring  that needs replacing 
    Agree 100%.  Thats the old lip crack issue.  And your right there is a fix kit for it - I think it involves welding though.
    I would degrease the entire lot as there could also be a base gasket leak in that mess as well.

  • 95FXDWG Posts: 13
    Stock Poster 95FXDWG
    04 May 2019 10:01 PM
    The crack is pretty bad, the o ring can't even sit on the lip and the even with the gasket repair kit I can still get a feeler gauge in. Any ideas? I was just going to try the James repair gasket and some high temp sealant. Just trying to avoid buying a new engine HD Forums Australia - 20190504_203908_1.jpg

  • perthhog Posts: 1626
    Motor Head perthhog
    05 May 2019 02:29 PM
    Sorry I jinxed  the situation ?? But I would ether trying the James gasket if you cant  get one. Or 
    I would make one  out gasket paper  draw it out off the inner primary  than  all cleaned up 
    With with thiners or carbi cleaner than put some pematex aviation goo on the gasket 
    Than assembly it  but as you I would be trying everything before removing  to fix or 
    Replace engine , not sure what the procedure is for rubber mount engines but on softails 
    You leave the trans loose on on the frame aswell as engine  than do up the inner primary 
    So there not fighting each other than do up there mount bolts   To avoid this situation 
    Good luck 
  • Hoodeng Posts: 180
    Stock Poster Hoodeng
    05 May 2019 02:48 PM
    There are two primary o rings used on alternator motors yours uses the later thick section .095"  11147  ring,,that is not going to help you though as there is no support for it ,that damage is usually after a crash as the trans gets shunted forward as the engine goes back hence breaking the rear of the ring off and leaving the front intact in a lot of instances.There is also indication the primary has been loose on the engine for a long time. The ring counter-bore in  the primary needs to be checked for serviceability,as well as all the mount faces and bearing bore.
    The case can be repaired by welding and machining a new ring on the case ,the engine obviously needs to be split for this repair.Nothing can be really confirmed till the engine is fully assessed.
    As Perth detailed the fitting procedure is step specific in the OEM service manual,there is no alternative to this procedure.

    Cheers.
  • tussuck Posts: 1822
    Melbourne
    Motor Head tussuck
    06 May 2019 09:54 AM

    I remember seeing a kit that replaced the old lip with a new one.  It does involve machineing the cases to smooth stuff out and then I 'think' the new part is welded into place OR it may just be a compression fit like a gasket. 

    It involved a metal ring but I cannot find reference to it. 

    The James gasket/foam kit is supposed to resolve the problem.  I have also heard of great success with JB Steelstick which is a putty like JB weld so can be formed.

  • Grease Monkey Posts: 513
    Performance Poster Grease Monkey
    06 May 2019 12:01 PM
    Tussuck is there an o'ring groove in the inner primary mating surface?
  • perthhog Posts: 1626
    Motor Head perthhog
    06 May 2019 12:09 PM
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 06 May 2019 12:01 PM
    Tussuck is there an o'ring groove in the inner primary mating surface?
    Yes there is a receiver grove in the inner primary hilly 
  • Grease Monkey Posts: 513
    Performance Poster Grease Monkey
    06 May 2019 12:15 PM
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 06 May 2019 12:01 PM
    Tussuck is there an o'ring groove in the inner primary mating surface?
    Quoting perthhog on 06 May 2019 12:09 PM
    Yes there is a receiver grove in the inner primary hilly 
    This might sound a bit rough but would it be possible to superglue the new o'ring into the groove and fit it up? 
  • perthhog Posts: 1626
    Motor Head perthhog
    06 May 2019 12:25 PM
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 06 May 2019 12:01 PM
    Tussuck is there an o'ring groove in the inner primary mating surface?
    Quoting perthhog on 06 May 2019 12:09 PM
    Yes there is a receiver grove in the inner primary hilly 
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 06 May 2019 12:15 PM
    This might sound a bit rough but would it be possible to superglue the new o'ring into the groove and fit it up? 
    Think it might fail due to how much of the lip is gone  I think I would try what I said before but maybe as a 
     As tussk  said  some salz aswell.  Remove the rotor than slaz the grove from the inside  it’s  at the stage really 
    Patch it up or remove and fix as mr hood said Or  go open belt drive but that’s not for me 

    Combination of  gasket , aviation goo, slaz might just work for a while till the motor needs to be removed 
    For other work or upgrade. What’s the worst that could happen  leak oil again  I would try it  bit of time 
    And what $50  Of consumables 
  • Grease Monkey Posts: 513
    Performance Poster Grease Monkey
    06 May 2019 12:39 PM
    Quoting perthhog on 06 May 2019 12:09 PM
    Yes there is a receiver grove in the inner primary hilly 
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 06 May 2019 12:15 PM
    This might sound a bit rough but would it be possible to superglue the new o'ring into the groove and fit it up? 
    Quoting perthhog on 06 May 2019 12:25 PMedited: 06 May 2019 12:30 PM
    Think it might fail due to how much of the lip is gone  I think I would try what I said before but maybe as a 
     As tussk  said  some salz aswell.  Remove the rotor than slaz the grove from the inside  it’s  at the stage really 
    Patch it up or remove and fix as mr hood said Or  go open belt drive but that’s not for me 

    Combination of  gasket , aviation goo, slaz might just work for a while till the motor needs to be removed 
    For other work or upgrade. What’s the worst that could happen  leak oil again  I would try it  bit of time 
    And what $50  Of consumables 
    I would go with what you blokes suggest, such a bugga because to fix it properly is a major job engine wise.
  • tussuck Posts: 1822
    Melbourne
    Motor Head tussuck
    06 May 2019 01:15 PM

    Actually,

    Reading up on the James Gasket kit that might be worth a try. 

    It totally ignores the lip issue and works to provide a damn good seal between the case and inner primary through a special gasket material.  get the kit, make sure both mating surfaces are clean and flat and then have a crack at it.  If it still leaks then plan 'B' could be the repair using metal putty option.

  • OILLEAK2008 Posts: 112
    Stock Poster OILLEAK2008
    13 May 2019 04:28 PM
    The question begs - why did you buy it in the first place?
  • 95FXDWG Posts: 13
    Stock Poster 95FXDWG
    13 May 2019 06:14 PM
    Thanks guys, ended up getting everything out using the gasket kit with sealant together it came out look absolutely beautiful without a drop of oil coming out! Now just to replace the rectifier and she is all done! 
    Also I didn't buy it I bought a 650cc about 2 years ago for 3000 and have been swapping and trading it up making money until i finally gave a bloke 2000 and a suzuki gs1250s for it so I didn't care if I needed to fix it up a bit. I'll end up putting a S&S in it later anyway. So in my eyes it was an absolute deal. 
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  • Grease Monkey Posts: 513
    Performance Poster Grease Monkey
    13 May 2019 06:31 PM
    Quoting 95FXDWG on 13 May 2019 06:14 PM
    Thanks guys, ended up getting everything out using the gasket kit with sealant together it came out look absolutely beautiful without a drop of oil coming out! Now just to replace the rectifier and she is all done! 
    Also I didn't buy it I bought a 650cc about 2 years ago for 3000 and have been swapping and trading it up making money until i finally gave a bloke 2000 and a suzuki gs1250s for it so I didn't care if I needed to fix it up a bit. I'll end up putting a S&S in it later anyway. So in my eyes it was an absolute deal. 
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    You done good and it looks great.
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