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About to purchase my first harley. Tips on handling it?

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  • Smokey61
    Smokey61
    5 years ago
    Quoting ammity on 05 May 2019 01:42 AM

    I’m amazed at how you blokes reckon the suspension is shit. You pay a premium for a Harley and their suspension is just alright? What a rip. Definitely have to factor it into the budget it seems

    What bike don't you upgrade suspension on?
  • JFE
    JFE
    5 years ago
    Every bike comes from a factory with something to change, if you want to. Can’t imagine a single bike that wouldn’t benefit from an upgrade here and there. 

    Even a postie bike needs a bottle holder or something.
  • Nutty
    Nutty
    5 years ago
    Shithouse analogy James. I raced KTMs for years and my boy is a KTM Factory rider. I can assure you NO half serious rider uses stock Kato suspension. Add to that a Factory SuperTrax shock and a set of CV52AL forks is $20KAUD...you get the picture.
    OP...Harleys have ordinary suspension but the actual handling isn't too bad, in Rushmore tourers the chassis itself is brilliant. Softail IIs are damn good too. A  Rushmore tourer handles like a WR450, planted and safe, just like a big dirt bike. Best you try a late-model Street Glide last or the rest will feel like crap. ;-)
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    5 years ago
    One of the things I really like about Harley's IS that you can customise them to suit yourself, original purchase is the blank canvas so to speak, I had an 06 wideglide from new till 15, great bike, lost count of the coin I poured into over the years. Doing the same thing to the slim, no regrets.
  • SRV72
    SRV72
    5 years ago
    Quoting ammity on 03 May 2019 03:44 AM

    Hey lads, I'm about to get my full license here in NSW and I've been eyeing up either a '95-'99 wide glide or even one of the newer 1690 ones.
    I've only ever ridden dirt bikes so I'm used to riding basically a heavy push bike and was curious as to if a Harley is a bit of a nightmare for a newcomer? Is the weight that bike of a deal? cheers guys

    Quoting SRV72 on 04 May 2019 10:40 PM

    Yeah I reckon grab one mate. But be prepared to change the suspension. I have raised the rear suspension 1 inch and replaced the front fork springs, also dropped the fork tubes to raise front end. This basic mod cost about 1k and now I can ride for as long as I like or as hard as I like even 2 up. Prior to this the bike would not go around corners when 2 up without dragging the exhaust and frame. I much prefer the configuration of my FXDWG over my Speed Triple.

    Quoting ammity on 05 May 2019 01:38 AM

    That’s what I want to a T. I imagine changing the shocks would be pretty straight forward. What brand are those?

    Progressive shocks mate
  • boxa
    boxa
    5 years ago
    Quoting Moss on 03 May 2019 06:10 AM

    Welcome to the forum. I'm new to Harley Davidson's as well. Two months now. My last bike was a  Vstrom 650. There is a great difference between the two. I own a 2017 Road King, and the differences are chalk and cheese.  I could throw the Vstrom around, and traffic was never an issue, neither was parking. It was an uncomfortable bike to ride, I always felt cramped, the seat was hard, the fairing was useless, and the bike was not ever meant to be on freeways. The rear mono shock felt every bump. The best thing about it was it was cheap, and didnt matter if it got scratched, or dropped, and I could leave it anywhere. Last  year I only did 3000 kms on it. It was unpleasant to ride after 40 minutes.
    My Road King on the other hand is the exact opposite in every respect. I've done 7000 kms in eight weeks, and can see that that will be the norm. I can't leave it alone. It fits me like a glove. It is the most comfortable transport imaginable and loves the freeways and highways. Eats up the kilometers. It handles the twisties well , I love wrestling it into tight turns. It has a fair lean angle 32 degrees I think. I haven't scraped the floorboards yet. I'm sure I will as I get more used to throwing it about. 
    What I do miss is the commuter aspect of riding. Ducking and weaving down to the shops, and parking it on the footpath, riding over gutters, and squeezing between tight places. I want a second bike. (Dreaming) The Triumph T100. It's only 715mm wide and with a 900cc engine will do the job nicely. 
    My Road King is for the long haul trips. My favourite app now  is Google maps. 

    Moogs , i have a 650 v strom , I love it , use mine for touring ,  there a cheap bike and cheaper to alter ,    there seat is like a brick and the screen  a real noisy thing , but   a givi screen , set of lowering pegs 2 ich risers , and a new custom made seat , turned mine around completly for under a grand ,  i also owne a rocket 3 tourer  a real comfy tourer , bit like a road king on steroids , but  problem was , i went to the blue mountains , snowies wherever, in comfort but when i got there wished i was on something lighter  good choice though on the road king
  • boxa
    boxa
    5 years ago
    Quoting ammity on 03 May 2019 03:44 AM

    Hey lads, I'm about to get my full license here in NSW and I've been eyeing up either a '95-'99 wide glide or even one of the newer 1690 ones.
    I've only ever ridden dirt bikes so I'm used to riding basically a heavy push bike and was curious as to if a Harley is a bit of a nightmare for a newcomer? Is the weight that bike of a deal? cheers guys

    Try them all , I think a lot will depend on your size , if your a big fella   a sporty or a low rider might not suit you , personaly myself , i'm short legs , short arms   think orangatang with short arms ,   my mate bought a  wide glide ,  threw me the keys ,  and said go for a ride , reckon i done about 2 klm  went threw a round about and rode it straight back , could'nt stand the thing ,  i've tried   a fat boy , forward controls made it difficult for me , tried a  street glide , or road glide not sure which one , that  front fairing , i just could'nt take to it , found it real off putting ,, i jumped on a low rider  and BINGO , i think they made them just for me .

    Regards suspension my mate , made his low rider a lot more forgiving , over the bumps with a rear shocker upgrade that cost him  around 2 grand ,  weve swapped bikes and both agree  i done the same with  a sundowner seat that i bought for when the missis comes out , handling well i find mine ok has is , to be honest  i think unless your a real talented hard rider ,  who can push really really hard , the stock suspension is good enough  for the average guy .
  • ammity
    ammity
    5 years ago
    Cheers for all the awesome info guys.

    Now, what pipes are out there that aren’t pumping out 120db but make a bit more noise than stock?
  • Nutty
    Nutty
    5 years ago
    He he. Cunny Funt
  • Mr.Mow
    Mr.Mow
    5 years ago
    I’ve got a 2015 wideglide, have belted it up and down the east coast, torrential rain, burning hot summers, been out riding with guys on Triumphs and other cafe racer type things at 12 month ban speeds through twisties. 
    Sure it’s not a sports bike but she’ll hustle when pushed (sure it’s showers of exhaust covers and foot pegs everywhere), only thing I’ve found can be a bit of a worry is the ratio of the front tyre and rear is mismatched so you may still have 1/2” Of tread edge the front is about to ride off the edge.. but by this stage it’s fairly high speed corners with everything dragging and the stock chassis will be struggling.

    150kmh+ corners can get scary, it overwhelms the chassis and suspension. But my point is, it’ll deal with it and the 103 motor even stock is lovely and tourqey. And the gear box is slick and copes well.

    Brakes are ok, repeated hard stopping will make em suffer but if that’s a majority of your riding you probably want a sports bike.

    It’s a heavy beast to push around a car park, low speed handling is fine if you know how to ride at low speed, high speed is ultra stable.

    I love mine, one of the best bikes I’ve ever owned.
  • Mr.Mow
    Mr.Mow
    5 years ago
    Quoting ammity on 06 May 2019 01:27 AMedited: 06 May 2019 02:03 AM

    Cheers for all the awesome info guys.

    Now, what pipes are out there that aren’t pumping out 120db but make a bit more noise than stock?

    Just change the mufflers, most of the sound deadening is done earlier on in the headers with the cat. Even with straight through slip ons it will be fairly toned down.
  • ammity
    ammity
    5 years ago
    I’m not really one to really push to speed limit because of my job but it’s reassuring hearing that. You’d highside from jamming the pegs into the ground before riding off the tyre wouldn’t you?
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    5 years ago
    Quoting ammity on 06 May 2019 07:11 AM

    I’m not really one to really push to speed limit because of my job but it’s reassuring hearing that. You’d highside from jamming the pegs into the ground before riding off the tyre wouldn’t you?

    Depends on model and or mods, seen a few with no chicken strips
  • ammity
    ammity
    5 years ago
    Do Harley’s use all imperial measurements and those stupid star bits?
    Also, while I’m firing random questions away. Whenever I see a softail deuce they’re by far cheaper than any other big twin. Why is that?
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    5 years ago
    Quoting ammity on 06 May 2019 11:24 PMedited: 06 May 2019 11:28 PM

    Do Harley’s use all imperial measurements and those stupid star bits?

    Also, while I’m firing random questions away. Whenever I see a softail deuce they’re by far cheaper than any other big twin. Why is that?

    Yep mostly imperial buy there are exceptions like brakes have metric fittings. Torx (star) fittings can be easily changed if necessary but they have their benefits. Once you get good quality Torx keys and socket bits I reckon they're better than allen style. The corner parts of allen head screws have a habit of rounding off if you get what I mean. 
    The deuce is cheaper because it's a bit of an oddball in that there are parts of the deuce that regular softail parts are not interchangeable with. It's a bit of a different look and hasn't been made in a long while 
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    5 years ago
    Quoting ammity on 06 May 2019 11:24 PMedited: 06 May 2019 11:28 PM

    Do Harley’s use all imperial measurements and those stupid star bits?

    Also, while I’m firing random questions away. Whenever I see a softail deuce they’re by far cheaper than any other big twin. Why is that?

    I think the Duece was Willy G's first attempt at a production custom so it has some unusual looking features, rear guard, tank, gauge moldings etc that make it special but polarizig, some folks don't like the looks but it's a good bike. 
    Think about this man, some folks hate CVO Springers and Rockers, but basically the Breakout is a CVO Springer without the springs and a Rocker without the floating seat and longer forks and it's been a huge seller.
    I'm thinking it's these rarer bikes that will hold a higher value in the long term (as long as you keep em stock).
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    5 years ago
    Quoting ammity on 06 May 2019 01:27 AMedited: 06 May 2019 02:03 AM

    Cheers for all the awesome info guys.

    Now, what pipes are out there that aren’t pumping out 120db but make a bit more noise than stock?

    Quoting Mr.Mow on 06 May 2019 04:12 AM

    Just change the mufflers, most of the sound deadening is done earlier on in the headers with the cat. Even with straight through slip ons it will be fairly toned down.

    It's odd but the CAT doesn't change the dB level throughout the entire rev range, here's what I recorded, numbers are in dB, hope they line up.
    Fatbob 110 with Screamin Eagle slip ons
                    Idle     2,000 RPM    Open throttle blip
    Cat in      87.5     92                  102.5
    Cat out   87.5     93                   109

    Fatbob 110 with Custom open slip ons (Straight through needle mat wrapped perforated tube)
                    Idle     2,000 RPM    Open throttle blip
    Cat in      87.9     92                  102.5
    Cat out    93        97                  121

    Fatbob 110 running headers only, no muffler
                    Idle     2,000 RPM    Open throttle blip
    Cat in      89.7     98.3               108.4
    Cat out    96        99                  129

  • ammity
    ammity
    5 years ago
    The cat in stopping a lot of the higher rpm decibels sounds exactly what I want 
  • Benno
    Benno
    5 years ago
    Quoting ammity on 06 May 2019 11:24 PMedited: 06 May 2019 11:28 PM

    Do Harley’s use all imperial measurements and those stupid star bits?

    Also, while I’m firing random questions away. Whenever I see a softail deuce they’re by far cheaper than any other big twin. Why is that?

    Quoting fatbat on 07 May 2019 12:05 AMedited: 07 May 2019 12:21 AM

    Yep mostly imperial buy there are exceptions like brakes have metric fittings. Torx (star) fittings can be easily changed if necessary but they have their benefits. Once you get good quality Torx keys and socket bits I reckon they're better than allen style. The corner parts of allen head screws have a habit of rounding off if you get what I mean. 

    The deuce is cheaper because it's a bit of an oddball in that there are parts of the deuce that regular softail parts are not interchangeable with. It's a bit of a different look and hasn't been made in a long while 

    Hey Fatbat, what brand of Torx keys & sockets you using, I have tried a couple of brands but they have all been pretty ordinary fits to the bolt. 
    Happy to pay, if they fit well.
    Cheers Benno
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    5 years ago
    Hi Benno I'm away from home for a bit so working off memory. I think the keys are kinchrome that I bought from bunnings in their tool section. The socket bits might also be kinchrome but I can't remember for sure - I bought them from a specialty tool shop. I rarely use the keys as I locktite everything (mostly blue locktite) and the socket bits obviously work better at loosening and tightening than the keys. I use sidchrome socket tools and another good brand which I can't remember for torque wrenches. All from a specialty tool shop. I don't buy cheap tools anymore (learnt my lesson). Hope you find some good ones 
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