Forward control bolts sheared off... help

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  • tussuck
    tussuck
    4 years ago
    Hi,
    Okay, so riding down the rode from home and put some pressure on the right forward footrest and the whole frigging thing parted way from the bike!
    Bloody bolts just sheared off and are still sitting in the frame mount holes.
    Anyone had this experience and any suggestions as to what to do?
  • Bigfella
    Bigfella
    4 years ago
    Where they hi tensile bolts/cap screws? Check markings on bolt head
  • DocGreen
    DocGreen
    4 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 09 May 2019 07:01 AM

    Hi,

    Okay, so riding down the rode from home and put some pressure on the right forward footrest and the whole frigging thing parted way from the bike!
    Bloody bolts just sheared off and are still sitting in the frame mount holes.
    Anyone had this experience and any suggestions as to what to do?

    Haven't had the bolts break, but a while ago a mates rh footpeg broke in half right on the pivot point as he put his weight on it to look over a centre rail. How he didn't come a croppa we both don't know. 
    Unless they were cheap shit bolts im guessing they have just fatigued from vib's over the years, good reminder to check critical bolts and fasteners. If going into blind holes make sure they aren't bottoming out.
    Glad you didn't come off

    Cheers 
    DocGreen
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    4 years ago
    I woulld have the say factory Chinese steel (they look to be 8mm ish 1" long allen bolts)
    There is FKE stamped on the top so steel or stainless perhaps.
  • Bigfella
    Bigfella
    4 years ago

    If no markings like the grade 5 & 8 or numbers like 3rd and 4th from left in top left of pic they are standard mild steel bolts. So yes, probably cheap chinese crap. Invest in some grade 5 bolts at least, stainless steel is around grade 5 strength, although for footrests i would use hi tensile steel.
     Unbrako branded bolts and cap screws are above industry standards.
    I feel a bit rude for focusing my 1st answer on just the bolts, but as Doc said, glad you're ok. 
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    4 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 09 May 2019 07:01 AM

    Hi,

    Okay, so riding down the rode from home and put some pressure on the right forward footrest and the whole frigging thing parted way from the bike!
    Bloody bolts just sheared off and are still sitting in the frame mount holes.
    Anyone had this experience and any suggestions as to what to do?

    Never seen it happen, too much Macca's?
    Kidding, 3/8" unc, will have blue thread lock, centre pop the middle, drill and easy out, bit of focused heat if you want but a good whack with a hammer and pin punch should do it.
    Bit of a bastard mate, could of been messy.
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    4 years ago
    I'm hoping they are not factory ones...I hate grade 8 bolts
    Screw 3/8"-16 x 1-1/8" UNC Hex Socket Head (Grade 8)
    Reference: HD-4748
    3/8"-16 X 1-1/8" 
    Hex Socket Head
    Grade 8

    I'll pop down to the tool shop and get an extractor tool for 3/8" bolts tomorrow and then have a crack in the weekend.  Looks a bit duff riding atm as I have the right foot up on the rear passenger peg and the left on the forward control...lol  
    Definitely going for High Tensile on both sides now.
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    4 years ago
    Whats a good brand of screw extractor to get?  
    Number #4 Removes Screws 9/32" to 3/8" & 1/8" Pipe (Use 1/4" Drill Bit)
    Number #5 Removes Screws 3/8" to 5/8" & 1/4" Pipe (Use 19/64" Drill Bit)
  • Bigfella
    Bigfella
    4 years ago
    Sutton are decent, start with what hilly said a good hard centre punch hit. If they're grade 8 centre punch will hardly mark them. Use smaller size drill and extractor first then up to larger if needed. Use a pilot drill to walk the drill to centre of bolt before going into a hole, this way if both extractors fail you can drill out and re tap/clean thread.
    Also use heat (heat gun, not flame) like Hilly mentioned, not just bolt but mounts too so they grow at similar rates.
    PS. I f#@king hate screw extractors, mutha phuking c#nts of things! Good luck
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    4 years ago
    Like Bigfella said, Sutton or equivalent, there are a few different types but I like the square tapered ones, you knock them in with a hammer, good quality ones have a sharp bitey edge on all four corners, the ones that screw in are a menace in the wrong hands, there are also straight splined ones, I don't go much on them either.
  • speedzter
    speedzter
    4 years ago
    Quoting Bigfella on 09 May 2019 08:01 AMedited: 09 May 2019 08:02 AM


    If no markings like the grade 5 & 8 or numbers like 3rd and 4th from left in top left of pic they are standard mild steel bolts. So yes, probably cheap chinese crap. Invest in some grade 5 bolts at least, stainless steel is around grade 5 strength, although for footrests i would use hi tensile steel.

     Unbrako branded bolts and cap screws are above industry standards.
    I feel a bit rude for focusing my 1st answer on just the bolts, but as Doc said, glad you're ok. 


    Generic imperial socket head cap screws usually have no markings, but are commonly still high tensile (170k psi +)
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    4 years ago
    a good set of l/h drills[ wurth,p&n ect ]  can work wonders.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    4 years ago
    Quoting brucefxdl on 09 May 2019 10:35 AM

    a good set of l/h drills[ wurth,p&n ect ]  can work wonders.

    I got a set but they are a bit spendy for one off use, amazing how many broken track roller bolts will back out just with the drill.
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    4 years ago
    Quoting brucefxdl on 09 May 2019 10:35 AM

    a good set of l/h drills[ wurth,p&n ect ]  can work wonders.

    Quoting Grease Monkey on 09 May 2019 10:45 AM

    I got a set but they are a bit spendy for one off use, amazing how many broken track roller bolts will back out just with the drill.

    yes ,i am converted, use em odd times,they are exspensive, so keep them for speacial occasions.
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    4 years ago
    Totally agree on the left handed drill bits. Put your glasses on and  center pop the broken bolt right in the middle.
    Hit the centre pop softly the first time until youre sure youre in the middle.
    When youre sure your in the middle give it a good hit with the hammer.
    Use the correct size tapping drill (left handed) for the 3/8 bolt (don't remember the size) and more often than not the broken bolt will spin out.
    When said bolt spins out, crack open a beer and enjoy.
  • wello
    wello
    4 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 09 May 2019 07:01 AM

    Hi,

    Okay, so riding down the rode from home and put some pressure on the right forward footrest and the whole frigging thing parted way from the bike!
    Bloody bolts just sheared off and are still sitting in the frame mount holes.
    Anyone had this experience and any suggestions as to what to do?

    might be a silly question .but , can you see or feel the other end of the thread through the frame if accessible ? .. i would imagine the thread has loctite but if not once the pressure is realeased from a bolt through snapping it  quite often becomes loose and will spin out if u can get it moving .. if its a HT bolt u will probably struggle to drill it , same with stainless unless u got really good bits, both tend to drift off a bit even after c/punching if using a hand drill ... but if u can i would go with the left hand drill bits as its possible they may even spin out while trying to drill it . ... sometimes in the past depending how deep it is ive managed to cut a small groove in it and then turn out with a screw driver 
    u got a pic of it ?

  • Smokey61
    Smokey61
    4 years ago
    Go easy, I had the same once with an exhaust hanger bolt, tried to get it out with a titanium ezy-out, broke that off in there too. It's probably still in there, wherever it is now...
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    4 years ago
    Question then:  Where can I get left hand drill bits (they are not that common)?  I do not mind investing in a set.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    4 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 10 May 2019 04:41 AM

    Question then:  Where can I get left hand drill bits (they are not that common)?  I do not mind investing in a set.

    Coventrys or the likes, big arse tool shops, depends where you are , hey online as well, might track them down local with Google, 
  • Ken in Cairns
    Ken in Cairns
    4 years ago
    If it is a grade 8 or high tensile bolt use Cobalt coated drills, it will make drilling em out a lot easier, they are not that expensive.
    I hate the screw in style easy outs, you are better off using splined ones thay dont expand the fastener as much. 
    A good set isn't cheap, but I think you can buy them individually. I have not used the square ones Grease Monkey has mentioned.
    Just make sure you drill in the centre of the bolt:)
    If it has locktite a lttle bit of heat may help.
    You can use a soldering iron if it is sufficient wattage to supply the heat,  stick it in the drilled hole till the desired temp is reached, will not damage any paint work that way.
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