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  • tussuck Posts: 2101
    Melbourne
    Motor Head tussuck
    01 Aug 2019 08:10 PM
    Geee..

    Go for the 550 rule rather than waste focus on handlebar height.
  • HOG63 Posts: 179
    Stock Poster HOG63
    01 Aug 2019 09:11 PM
    Please use a legitimate email address because you have to verify: 

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    Signing Petition Confirmation
    One more step ...

    Thank you for completing the first step in signing an e-petition. There is one more step that you need to do. Check the email account used to verify your email and click the link in the email to sign the petition. Your signature is not valid until you click the link which is valid for eight hours.
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    Thanks guys. 

    1500 signatures so far, but need many more!
  • offbeatmammal Posts: 61
    Box Hill, Vic
    Stock Poster offbeatmammal
    24 Aug 2019 11:52 AM
    sad to see not many people are responding to this - https://motorbikewriter.com/handlebar-petition-needs-signatures/
    Even if you don't ride with high bars it's worth signing to remind the powers that be that we are capable of occasionally banding together!
  • HOG63 Posts: 179
    Stock Poster HOG63
    24 Aug 2019 02:29 PM
    Totally agree. 
  • Lozz Posts: 19
    Stock Poster Lozz
    24 Aug 2019 04:04 PM
    Proud to put my name on it

  • robots Posts: 1190
    Performance Poster robots
    24 Aug 2019 08:04 PM
    I read a few of the documents and yet to see legislation that can defect the bike on the road. Ie. if you buy bike then change handlebar

    Guidelines or working paper is not good enough

    ADR is for design & construct, all links on VicRoads about defecting point to documents that specifically relate to design and construct, RWC, registration etc

    Any specific road rule legislation document?
  • fatbat Posts: 2842
    Forum Legend fatbat
    25 Aug 2019 12:10 PM
    Quoting robots on 24 Aug 2019 08:04 PM
    I read a few of the documents and yet to see legislation that can defect the bike on the road. Ie. if you buy bike then change handlebar

    Guidelines or working paper is not good enough

    ADR is for design & construct, all links on VicRoads about defecting point to documents that specifically relate to design and construct, RWC, registration etc

    Any specific road rule legislation document?
    I don't think you've looked at everything. If you're in Victoria have a look at some of the Victorian road transport acts and regulations which are effectively modeled and directed upon the Australian road rules and ADRs. When you find them you will see that you can be defected for a non compliant item and you can be issued an infringement notice too. Unhappy with an infringement then the court can decide. Unhappy with the defect notice vicroads assesses. 

    Unfortunately we're a nanny country and laws are prescribed to cater to the dumbest minority. With handlebars I've seen midgets riding with 16 inch apes as an example.  I've used shorter apes than that but I've got a bit of height and didn't consider it a safety issue even though they were too high for roadworthy. I got thru roadworthy by installing a big, cushy seat and pulling the bars back thru the risers as the height threshold is based on the height between the seat and the highest part of the bars from memory. Got the height down sufficiently to pass.

    I can't see any of these rules and regulations softening. If anything safety is being clamped down on harder and there will be more rules to govern what we can and can't do. Some make sense and some not so. 
  • robots Posts: 1190
    Performance Poster robots
    25 Aug 2019 01:28 PM
    What's the offence no?

    Yet to see the specific legislation. Plenty of info on adr etc
  • fatbat Posts: 2842
    Forum Legend fatbat
    25 Aug 2019 04:02 PM
    Quoting robots on 25 Aug 2019 01:28 PM
    What's the offence no?

    Yet to see the specific legislation. Plenty of info on adr etc
    I've looked this up and shared it with folks on here before. I have shit internet where I am and I'm not doing it again. 

    Do you really think governments allow police to issue infringements unlawfully for this stuff?!
  • robots Posts: 1190
    Performance Poster robots
    25 Aug 2019 04:34 PM
    Yes, council officers do it daily. Police would do it also.

    Some pay, some contest and they withdraw fine as they don’t want them in magistrates court.

    There is about 4-5 documents that all link to ADR and National Standards Act i think it is. 


  • robots Posts: 1190
    Performance Poster robots
    25 Aug 2019 04:50 PM
    Other discussion is based around VASS Approval Certificate being required for any handlebar changes as it relates to “steering”


  • rodders Posts: 5830
    Victoria
    Forum Legend rodders
    28 Aug 2019 11:25 AM
    Quoting robots on 25 Aug 2019 01:28 PM
    What's the offence no?

    Yet to see the specific legislation. Plenty of info on adr etc

    Police or Vic Roads inspectors can issue a Defect Notice (often called a Canary) if the vehicle doesn't meet roadworthy or registration requirements. If a notice is given you'll have 28 days to correct the defect. The DN will list the defect(s) but often will also indicate the roadside inspection was incomplete meaning that you'll need to submit a full RWC to Vic Roads to clear the DN from their data base.

  • tussuck Posts: 2101
    Melbourne
    Motor Head tussuck
    28 Aug 2019 01:58 PM
    Just realised that my King/Queen seat makes this a moot point for me....As the rider seat has a high back support on it.
  • Birtyyy Posts: 145
    Melbourne
    Stock Poster Birtyyy
    28 Aug 2019 02:06 PM
    Quoting tussuck on 28 Aug 2019 01:58 PM
    Just realised that my King/Queen seat makes this a moot point for me....As the rider seat has a high back support on it.
    The way I read it was it's from the seat base not the back support.

    Also, what's the '550 rule' you mentioned?
  • tussuck Posts: 2101
    Melbourne
    Motor Head tussuck
    28 Aug 2019 02:12 PM
    Quoting tussuck on 28 Aug 2019 01:58 PM
    Just realised that my King/Queen seat makes this a moot point for me....As the rider seat has a high back support on it.
    Quoting Birtyyy on 28 Aug 2019 02:06 PM
    The way I read it was it's from the seat base not the back support.

    Also, what's the '550 rule' you mentioned?
    The 550 rule STOPs long chopper forks and stretched front ends in their tracks.  

    It says that 'The front wheel axle MUST be with 550mm of the centre point of the steering neck'.  Its why we have no really stretched choppers in AU.

    On the handlebar front:
    According to the current Australian Design Rules, Motor Vehicles Standards Act 1989 and the National Code of Practice for Vehicle Construction, it is illegal to modify motorcycle handlebar height to any greater than 380mm from the lowest part of the handlebar grip to the lowest point of the seat.  

    So your right...I'm buggered, BUT my handgrips sit above car mirrors so i can attest that its a LOT safer to ride when lane filtering. (mind you it brings them in line with van and SUV mirrors, so its all a probabilty trade off)
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