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Petition to change Handlebar height laws

  • tussuck
    tussuck
    4 years ago
    Geee..
    Go for the 550 rule rather than waste focus on handlebar height.
  • HOG63
    HOG63
    4 years ago
    Please use a legitimate email address because you have to verify: 

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    Signing Petition Confirmation
    One more step ...

    Thank you for completing the first step in signing an e-petition. There is one more step that you need to do. Check the email account used to verify your email and click the link in the email to sign the petition. Your signature is not valid until you click the link which is valid for eight hours.
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    Thanks guys. 

    1500 signatures so far, but need many more!
  • offbeatmammal
    offbeatmammal
    4 years ago
    sad to see not many people are responding to this - https://motorbikewriter.com/handlebar-petition-needs-signatures/
    Even if you don't ride with high bars it's worth signing to remind the powers that be that we are capable of occasionally banding together!
  • HOG63
    HOG63
    4 years ago
    Totally agree. 
  • Lozz
    Lozz
    4 years ago
    Proud to put my name on it

  • robots
    robots
    4 years ago
    I read a few of the documents and yet to see legislation that can defect the bike on the road. Ie. if you buy bike then change handlebar
    Guidelines or working paper is not good enough

    ADR is for design & construct, all links on VicRoads about defecting point to documents that specifically relate to design and construct, RWC, registration etc

    Any specific road rule legislation document?
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    4 years ago
    Quoting robots on 24 Aug 2019 10:04 AM

    I read a few of the documents and yet to see legislation that can defect the bike on the road. Ie. if you buy bike then change handlebar

    Guidelines or working paper is not good enough

    ADR is for design & construct, all links on VicRoads about defecting point to documents that specifically relate to design and construct, RWC, registration etc

    Any specific road rule legislation document?

    I don't think you've looked at everything. If you're in Victoria have a look at some of the Victorian road transport acts and regulations which are effectively modeled and directed upon the Australian road rules and ADRs. When you find them you will see that you can be defected for a non compliant item and you can be issued an infringement notice too. Unhappy with an infringement then the court can decide. Unhappy with the defect notice vicroads assesses. 
    Unfortunately we're a nanny country and laws are prescribed to cater to the dumbest minority. With handlebars I've seen midgets riding with 16 inch apes as an example.  I've used shorter apes than that but I've got a bit of height and didn't consider it a safety issue even though they were too high for roadworthy. I got thru roadworthy by installing a big, cushy seat and pulling the bars back thru the risers as the height threshold is based on the height between the seat and the highest part of the bars from memory. Got the height down sufficiently to pass.

    I can't see any of these rules and regulations softening. If anything safety is being clamped down on harder and there will be more rules to govern what we can and can't do. Some make sense and some not so. 
  • robots
    robots
    4 years ago
    What's the offence no?
    Yet to see the specific legislation. Plenty of info on adr etc
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    4 years ago
    Quoting robots on 25 Aug 2019 03:28 AM

    What's the offence no?

    Yet to see the specific legislation. Plenty of info on adr etc

    I've looked this up and shared it with folks on here before. I have shit internet where I am and I'm not doing it again. 
    Do you really think governments allow police to issue infringements unlawfully for this stuff?!
  • robots
    robots
    4 years ago
    Yes, council officers do it daily. Police would do it also.
    Some pay, some contest and they withdraw fine as they don’t want them in magistrates court.

    There is about 4-5 documents that all link to ADR and National Standards Act i think it is. 


  • robots
    robots
    4 years ago
    Other discussion is based around VASS Approval Certificate being required for any handlebar changes as it relates to “steering”

  • tussuck
    tussuck
    4 years ago
    Just realised that my King/Queen seat makes this a moot point for me....As the rider seat has a high back support on it.
  • Birtyyy
    Birtyyy
    4 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 28 Aug 2019 03:58 AM

    Just realised that my King/Queen seat makes this a moot point for me....As the rider seat has a high back support on it.

    The way I read it was it's from the seat base not the back support.
    Also, what's the '550 rule' you mentioned?
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    4 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 28 Aug 2019 03:58 AM

    Just realised that my King/Queen seat makes this a moot point for me....As the rider seat has a high back support on it.

    Quoting Birtyyy on 28 Aug 2019 04:06 AM

    The way I read it was it's from the seat base not the back support.

    Also, what's the '550 rule' you mentioned?

    The 550 rule STOPs long chopper forks and stretched front ends in their tracks.  
    It says that 'The front wheel axle MUST be with 550mm of the centre point of the steering neck'.  Its why we have no really stretched choppers in AU.

    On the handlebar front:
    According to the current Australian Design Rules, Motor Vehicles Standards Act 1989 and the National Code of Practice for Vehicle Construction, it is illegal to modify motorcycle handlebar height to any greater than 380mm from the lowest part of the handlebar grip to the lowest point of the seat.  

    So your right...I'm buggered, BUT my handgrips sit above car mirrors so i can attest that its a LOT safer to ride when lane filtering. (mind you it brings them in line with van and SUV mirrors, so its all a probabilty trade off)
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