Who should pay and why....

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  • tussuck
    tussuck
    4 years ago
    1 man owns this....  Its the principle of the dealership; he has a name and and home address.  
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    4 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 21 Sep 2019 09:32 PM

    1 man owns this....  Its the principle of the dealership; he has a name and and home address.  

    Interesting call......why should he be liable to pay?
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    4 years ago
    In my job if something goes sideways i have the end accountability for the problem and fix (and these typically hit 6 figures) .  In this case I would not expect a dealer certified vehicle to fail like this, particularly if serviced and inspected prior to purchase (its not fit for purpose - but I'm not sure if that rule applies to used vehicles)
    The Dealer principle has made a decision to cut the customer loose - efficiently washing his hands of accountability.  In my mind (which can be a strange place at times) he has chosen profit over service.  
  • PaulW
    PaulW
    4 years ago
    This is causing more than $50k damage to the Jeep brand's image so Chrysler/Jeep should sort this out for their own good (although its probably too late now)
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    4 years ago
    Quoting PaulW on 21 Sep 2019 11:58 PM

    This is causing more than $50k damage to the Jeep brand's image so Chrysler/Jeep should sort this out for their own good (although its probably too late now)

    I think that the brand has already got an image problem already that's why they introduced the "there and back warranty program" 
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    4 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 21 Sep 2019 11:35 PMedited: 21 Sep 2019 11:36 PM

    In my job if something goes sideways i have the end accountability for the problem and fix (and these typically hit 6 figures) .  In this case I would not expect a dealer certified vehicle to fail like this, particularly if serviced and inspected prior to purchase (its not fit for purpose - but I'm not sure if that rule applies to used vehicles)

    The Dealer principle has made a decision to cut the customer loose - efficiently washing his hands of accountability.  In my mind (which can be a strange place at times) he has chosen profit over service.  

    Its a fine line between customer satisfaction and accountability. If the vehicle is out of warranty then depending on the klm of the vehicle there is a "implied warranty" This refers to the fact that regardless of any statutory warranty then its implied that it still retains some degree of use beyond that warranty. If this vehicle has done considerable klm beyond the warranty and even though the dealer has serviced it sadly your on your own. The dealer does have the option of perhaps reducing the the parts and labour costs rather than quoting retail for all work, but are not obliged to do so.
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    4 years ago
    Gotta feel for them but there’s a bit of info missing or am I missing part of the story?
    Kilometres travelled isn’t mentioned.
    Was it purchased new, ie run out stock. (You can still buy new 2018 Grand Cherokees now so there may have been 2013s available in 2015)
    If a new late 2013 purchased say in early 2015 they probably wouldn’t have been considering an extended warranty but if used, I don’t think there’d be any dealer who’d miss the chance to sell them an extended warranty to cover beyond the year they had left and if they had bought one it would have expired by now anyway. 

    So it seems while they new about and accepted the brands poor reputation before they bought it, they have extended their risk exposure by keeping it after the warranty expired, (now a 6 year old car) probably because Jeeps suffer a huge drop in value. 

    So I’m thinking, is it a reasonable expectation to make a claim against any brand of vehicle that’s been running fine for 6 years, has probably done 100,000 Ks, and is no longer covered by the manufacturer warranty. I don’t think so. 

    Sure I’d have a go, maybe the manufacturer will offer some free parts, but what confuses me most is how did the debris get past the bloody fuel filter?
  • T4
    T4
    4 years ago
    That happens. Don't know the full story but it happened to my daughter and her partner on their V8 Toyota Sahara battlewagon tank thingy. They had had a new fuel pmp/filter/lines/injectors fitted and luckily they got a lifetime (if I recall correctly) warranty on the work. Of course the thing stopped, and when pulled down there were little pieces of metal all through the fuel system. The fix it quote was thousands, and the company that supplied the fuel pump tried to weasel out of it, blaming the fitment guys, but between them (and that warranty) they had to fix it. Did I mention that both my daughter and her partner are lawyers?
    The thing runs fine now, and still has a lifetime (? I think) warranty on the fuel system. Oh, and I think it is a diesel.

    Cheers, Will
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    4 years ago
    The following video is more informative.....stick with it he does drone on a bit




  • Soapbox2627
    Soapbox2627
    4 years ago
    I heard today that Jeep put an announcement on the "Jeep owners forum" that they have looked at the incident and as there was a recall on the fuel pump they will be covering all cost to repair

    I have no source page as reference as I was told by a Jeep owner
  • steelo
    steelo
    4 years ago
    I wonder if cadogan would do a blog on scuzz rust issues
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    4 years ago
    Quoting Soapbox2627 on 25 Sep 2019 07:22 AM

    I heard today that Jeep put an announcement on the "Jeep owners forum" that they have looked at the incident and as there was a recall on the fuel pump they will be covering all cost to repair

    I have no source page as reference as I was told by a Jeep owner

    Lets hope for the owners sake thats indeed correct and not a typical internet crap story
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    4 years ago
    Quoting steelo on 25 Sep 2019 07:28 AM

    I wonder if cadogan would do a blog on scuzz rust issues

    He does have a contact option , may be worth a try. Sadly like Ford, VW , Jeep, Holden and HD believe they are beyond the law and luckily for consumers 4 of the 5 got a huge shock, perhaps time for a 5th to add to the list?
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    4 years ago
    Talk about topical.....my good mate in Canberra bought a brand new Land Rover discovery in 2014 and two weeks ago it shit its pants. He said there was no warning at all other than the simultaneous flash of the oil light and a rather load bang from under the hood. Back to the dealer on the towie she went.......and then the trouble started... Said dealer acknowledged that they have had a few do the same thing as there was a main bearing that could spin causing metal to mix with the oil and that in turn chews the oil pump and instant loss of oil pressure equals no forward progress due to major metal infection. Good so far. Dealer requests log book to verify service, fair enough. My mate produces the log book and its fully up to date but by an independent mechanic. Dealer tells of my friend advising that they are the only people capable of draining the oil and washing the car for  $300 per hour. A partial teardown of the motor commences and then stops as the dealer has sent a oil sample to an independent analyst who determines that the incorrect viscosity was inside the engine when it pooped its pants and therefore was the SOLE contributor to the  failure! No mention at all about the fact that the excact same thing happens to them with the recommended oil in them!
    My friend was asked to either stump up $30k for a new motor or pay to have it towed on top of the $1000 labor costs! Back to the servicing mechanic who denied all wrong doing, but did concede the brand and viscosity he was using. After legal threats a compromise has been agreed to and the motor has been removed and sent to Syd for rebuild/recon and the mechanic is opting to use his insurance to foot the bill of around $15k
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    4 years ago
    He’s lucky the dealer tested the oil, but buying a Rover, really ? 
    I understand the allure. Nice looking things but everyone I know who’s owned one had problems, collapsed suspension, electrics and/or engine malfunctions. Then there’s the horrendous resale value or should I say lack of it. 
  • Mr.Mow
    Mr.Mow
    4 years ago
    Having dealt with Fiat/Chrysler/Jeep Australia all I can say is they make Harley Australia look like a bunch of loving customer caring folks.
    Absolute scum of the earth, warranty claims through them are a nightmare, they try as hard as they can to throw liability back on the owner, the common response is ‘we tested it there’s no issue’

    My Jeep Wrangler came new with cracked taillights (oh you must have towed a trailer.. uh no tow bar dickheads), a GPS system which showed you being in the middle of the Pacific Ocean (we cant find a fault, 4 new units later), an electrical system that would just lock up randomly (we can’t find a fault and no we don’t want to see video footage) and it went on. Their dealer network is awful (I even had a mechanic there tell me quietly to just get it fixed elsewhere at and indie place).

    My dad had a fiat Abarth and similar dramas.. horrible horrible company.
  • SCUZZ
    SCUZZ
    4 years ago
    Just had a thought.
    I'll get a quote from Haley to see how much they will charge me to remove all the corrosion by replacing all the corroded parts.

  • SCUZZ
    SCUZZ
    4 years ago
    Harley not Haley, although a random called Haley's guess would probably be just as reliable.
    I'm still in good spirits.
    Still get to listen to my bikes motor through the TBR exhaust and roll on  the 107 torque through the curves. 
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    4 years ago
    Stick with it Scuzz, it's all about the ride.
    Tell you what though, this thread makes my 30 year old SWB patrol seem a good thing still! No power, no speed but just keeps chugging along, was thinking of trading up to a SWB Prado, last one was 2013, still get them with good K's, bit scared of these modernish things now!
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