Holden failing badly

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Soapbox2627
4 years ago

a factory vehicle made RHD (with tooling) would cost the same, we are not the only country American cars are sold in RHD
I would suggest the price to Au is the typical rape Australians get with any imports

Grease Monkey
4 years ago

Aside from corporate greed Holden's fucked because they were Australia's car, they pumped that shit since before I was born, then they weren't anymore, the other brands that built here were not real Australians, accepted by many and fine cars but always on the outer edge of the real deal as their logos were international, live and die by your own hand.
Jimmy Barnes probably hasn't helped either lol, good song though.

Ratbob
4 years ago

Sorry to chime in late.
I think it’s a simple matter of people not trusting Holden.
I agree with GM.
They trusted them to build an Aussie car, maintain jobs, develop the brand beyond the Commodore. They failed.
Corolla was the biggest selling car for years and they kept making Commodores. Duh.
Talking to owners the current batch look great but ownership is as dodgy affair, much like owning a Range Rover. I love em but even the Poms reckon they’re less reliable than Alphas.
I know Toyota’s can have problems and they are pretty boring cars but in general they run forever. A mayes 9 year old Prado cracked a head. He approached Toyota and they supplied a new head for free, ok he paid for labour but that ain’t bad. Also Tojos maintain their value, so in these days of tight budgets, it’s a no brainer that people buy on reputation.
I guess I’m prejudiced cause I have two Tojos, both bought new and now one’s 13 years old the other 10. They’ve never missed a beat and cheap to service. The Prado was $56k 10 years ago and with over 200,000k should sell for $25k, not a bad capital loss.

paulybronco
4 years ago

Quoting Ratbob on 22 Dec 2019 09:43 AM
Sorry to chime in late.
I think it’s a simple matter of people not trusting Holden.
I agree with GM.
They trusted them to build an Aussie car, maintain jobs, develop the brand beyond the Commodore. They failed.
Corolla was the biggest selling car for years and they kept making Commodores. Duh.
Talking to owners the current batch look great but ownership is as dodgy affair, much like owning a Range Rover. I love em but even the Poms reckon they’re less reliable than Alphas.
I know Toyota’s can have problems and they are pretty boring cars but in general they run forever. A mayes 9 year old Prado cracked a head. He approached Toyota and they supplied a new head for free, ok he paid for labour but that ain’t bad. Also Tojos maintain their value, so in these days of tight budgets, it’s a no brainer that people buy on reputation.
I guess I’m prejudiced cause I have two Tojos, both bought new and now one’s 13 years old the other 10. They’ve never missed a beat and cheap to service. The Prado was $56k 10 years ago and with over 200,000k should sell for $25k, not a bad capital loss.

I think its important to elaborate somewhat here.....Holden is a "Brand name" in the GM portfolio. Its just like say "Novotel" is a brand of Accor in the hotel industry. To say that Novotel brand has failed the whole group (Accor) is a touch misleading.
The head office in Detroit allowed Holden to produce cars no one wanted as the government, who dont actually have any experience in building cars, were happy to keep subsidising a diminishing demand to keep jobs going in the industry at any expence. They gave out nearly $2.1 billion in 12yrs till 2013 in subsidies. Thats nearly $500000 , thats half a million $ a day 7 days a week.......And this was for cars we never wanted or could not sell......https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-02/holden-reveals-billions-in-subsidies/4604558

Gm kept taking the money and every time they felt they needed more money, lets close the factory in Aust and we kept sending the money

JFE
4 years ago

Don’t forget Toyota and Ford were in the same game. Comes down to business strategy right?
Toyota successfully piled up stumps and the car they used to build here (Camry) now built and Japan and sold here in good numbers. They used the opportunity to release a new better model that helped ppl get over it.

Ford, well they caught the right wave with the Thai-built Ranger and the Mustang so they could move on ... not forgetting they have a continued weakness in their business model - most of the range of offer no longer one really buys (think Mondeo, Escape).

So back to Holden, well it was obviously a mistake to continue the Commodore name plate ... but the brand needed a refresh of models ppl want to buy right? Been slow on the Camero and Silverado but they cost too much anyway to base a empire on. Maybe Holden should have went a fleet of Thai and Korean-made cars or something ...

Grease Monkey
4 years ago

You blokes are missing my point, Holden is not the same as Ford or Toyota or any of the others for everyone, yeah GM owns Holden but Holden stood tall in this country as our car, then it wasn't, now it isn't and never will be again, how many of you blokes commenting are actually fans of Holden cars? I am, I have had a love affair with every single one of them I've owned, so have millions like me, The other name brands I've had amount to stuff all in comparison. It's like a piece of our identity has been taken away, if you don't get it you don't get, they are fucked now.

JFE
4 years ago

Yeah Hilly, I’d go a Ford or Toyota over a Holden so cant relate to your feelings on it all; just focusing on how I see business failures.

Only Holden I sorta liked was the last Aussie built Commodore but doesn’t suit my needs at this time.

paulybronco
4 years ago

Quoting Grease Monkey on 23 Dec 2019 02:59 AM
You blokes are missing my point, Holden is not the same as Ford or Toyota or any of the others for everyone, yeah GM owns Holden but Holden stood tall in this country as our car, then it wasn't, now it isn't and never will be again, how many of you blokes commenting are actually fans of Holden cars? I am, I have had a love affair with every single one of them I've owned, so have millions like me, The other name brands I've had amount to stuff all in comparison. It's like a piece of our identity has been taken away, if you don't get it you don't get, they are fucked now.

Hilly i do see your point but i dont have a brand loyalty like you do. There are certain Holdens that i would have no issue owning at all, as there is with Ford , Mazda etc etc. I would not own a Holden simply because its an Aussie car over something from a different manufacturer. Holden needed those millions of brand lovers to step up and they still would be a force in Australia, but they voted with their feet. The dilemma for Commodore is this....the last few years of local Commodores were arguably the best ever of the brand yet no one bought them...why? Get used to our identity being eroded from our culture, humour and essence as do gooders and the permanently offended move in.

Ratbob
4 years ago

Quoting Grease Monkey on 23 Dec 2019 02:59 AM
You blokes are missing my point, Holden is not the same as Ford or Toyota or any of the others for everyone, yeah GM owns Holden but Holden stood tall in this country as our car, then it wasn't, now it isn't and never will be again, how many of you blokes commenting are actually fans of Holden cars? I am, I have had a love affair with every single one of them I've owned, so have millions like me, The other name brands I've had amount to stuff all in comparison. It's like a piece of our identity has been taken away, if you don't get it you don't get, they are fucked now.

You got me mate, no I’m not a Holden fan. Wife’s father bought a new HQ Monaro 4 door, yellow which suited it as it was an absolute lemon. His first new car and he sold it after nine months as he got sick of being stranded. He bought a new Tojo which never let him down and Toyota’s thereafter. My HD wasn’t bad but my HK was another absolute lemon so I never returned to Holden.

Grease Monkey
4 years ago

There has not been a chrome bumpered Holden built a half handy bloke with a Gregories couldn't fix, although a faulty wiring harness could send you mental.
A company needs to make money to survive for sure, the government should not have to spend money propping up a private enterprise that has no hope of standing on its own two feet, especially if that company is mothered by a massive international corporation.
The Holden name does not build any cars, Ford do, not here for sure but everyone knows they build car's, yeah they rebrand a few but shit my 30 year old Maverick that I've driven for the last 15 years is a Nissan GQ with a blue oval badge, rebadgeing something because you don't have one for that segment is nothing new but a car company should build cars.
As to voting with my feet, the VF is a fine car, it's just not what I need so I don't have one.
I have owned commodores in the past, in order of acquisition a VB, a VL, a VP, another VL, a VS V8 and another VL.
I traded the VS on my first GQ, I'm on my second one of them after a just bike period, 00-05, the last VL tacked on to the end of that.
Before the commodores it was Holden's in order, a HD sedan, a HR ute, an EH sedan, HR wagon, HR wagan, HQ 4 door monaro, EH panel van, EH sedan, then a ford Fairlane for a short time before it was my first just a bike for a few years period, 85-91, then the commodores, still have an FC sedan in my dad's shed that came along later. Like I said, I like Holden's.

paulybronco
4 years ago

The new Holden Acadia has a three month back order on a windscreen!!!!

Grease Monkey
4 years ago

Quoting paulybronco on 28 Dec 2019 08:22 AM
The new Holden Acadia has a three month back order on a windscreen!!!!

You can't possibly survive in this day and age with that kind of service, they screwed brother.
Edit, Acadia's ain't real Holden's either!!!!

Ratbob
4 years ago

Quoting paulybronco on 28 Dec 2019 08:22 AM
The new Holden Acadia has a three month back order on a windscreen!!!!

Quoting Grease Monkey on 28 Dec 2019 08:26 AMedited: 28 Dec 2019 08:28 AM
You can't possibly survive in this day and age with that kind of service, they screwed brother.
Edit, Acadia's ain't real Holden's either!!!!

Long story with some interesting moments.
Holden is dead, can’t we let it Rest In Peace ?

paulybronco
4 years ago

Quoting paulybronco on 28 Dec 2019 08:22 AM
The new Holden Acadia has a three month back order on a windscreen!!!!

Quoting Grease Monkey on 28 Dec 2019 08:26 AMedited: 28 Dec 2019 08:28 AM
You can't possibly survive in this day and age with that kind of service, they screwed brother.
Edit, Acadia's ain't real Holden's either!!!!

Quoting Ratbob on 28 Dec 2019 09:00 AM
Long story with some interesting moments.
Holden is dead, can’t we let it Rest In Peace ?

Well they aint totally dead but wow its a long painful death........lowest ever total sales since 1954!!!!!

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