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  • Ken in Cairns Posts: 635
    Cairns FNQ
    Performance Poster Ken in Cairns
    10 Feb 2020 04:52 PM
    Make sure your rear sag is set correctly.
    Talk to the guy who did the job for a value .
    Should have some sag with just the bike weight, mine was set to 5 to 10 mm static  and about 35 to 40 with me on it.
    Sounds like it a little stiff 
    You will need some help doing the measurements.

    See what he says about the rebound, might need to come up one.

    You can have it relatively comfy and handle good at the same time, it shouldn't be harsh over bumps 
  • DocGreen Posts: 324
    Illawarra NSW
    Stage 1 Poster DocGreen
    10 Feb 2020 08:48 PM
    Good feedback boxa, interested to hear how you go after adjusting them a bit, just remember to write down what you do so you don't end up chasing yourself with adjustments. 

    DocGreen
  • boxa Posts: 702
    Performance Poster boxa
    11 Feb 2020 07:23 PM
    Final analasyst ,,,,, Well up to the workshop  this morning , Told the guy  handling i'm happy  comfort too harsh ,,, no probs he  adjusted the rebound i think it was ,   I rode out done the excact route has yesterday   , I  found the front the same , a lot firmer   , heavier ,   and more responsive ,   same has yesterday ,,

    The rear , its hard to explain but i found it softer , but still felt bumps , not has bad ,  yesterday i would get a jar i could feel in my tailbone , just the same has the normal shocks , today   it sort of  bounced ,  i would hit a bump and i did look for them , and  felt    a bounce or two , but definetly not a jar ,,,  I noticed that  straight away ,,,, anyway took it for a long run on  my favorite roads , same has i done yesterday , and it was a lot better ,  hit a bump and feel it  a bit  not gliding over like i was hoping , like i used to do on my rocket tourer  but not a jarring bump either , sort of half way where i was hoping .

    So i took it along  bull creek road and all round sraph and meadows ,  and once again in the twisty stuff it handled fantastic , no more wallowing , no more bouncing if you got excited and spirited in a ben  , hust  went where it was pointed , hit  some bends i used to wallow on and  looked down found i was speeding   not relizing my  entry and exit was  a lot fater than pre work done .

    So  i went home   ,  , got home and thought front worth it  , hell yeh 100%  ,, back shockers worth it  ,  performance 100%  , comfort  well  i had misgivings , thinking i could of got  better than  standard , for half the price , but given the performance , got to give it worth it 80 % , so all in all reasonably pleaesd , just  thinking   should of maybee took my own advice i gave my mate , which was ,, you want tourer   comfort buy a tourer not a low rider .  but  overall got a better performing bike so yeh was worth the money .

    So sat down , had a coffee and the wife said , whats it like with the touring seat , dunno i said , , When i got the bike i bought the sundowner seat for her , but she does'nt ride anymore so its hardly been used ,   , i don't put it on  like the look of the standard seat ..

    So anyway , i say , i'll try it back in a minuite , went to the garage , 1 minuite the sundowner is on ,  looked over at the screen and thought why not , got an ugly seat may has well put on a ugly screen ,     its comfort not looks i want on this ride ,

    So i took off , about 5 minuites into the ride , i'm thinking wheres the bumps , i looked for them  and  it was fantastic ,  done the same ride has i done this morning and yesterday , and could'nt believe how comfortable , that extra couple inches of padding  absorbed everything ,    bad bumps were just a gentle bounce , and i  looked for every bump i knew  just could'nt get it to jar or make me complain , whats more   the performance was still there ,,

    The sundowner seat though   it transformed the bike , because i sat a little higher ,  and the seat brought me forward  a bit , it actually made my pegs more mid mount what i like ,  ,, honestly the lowrider , was suddnly more comfortable  that my old rocket toure , which i might add also had a touring seat and   Ikon shocks upgrade , It actually felt like a completly different bike than the one i  rode in the morning ,, I feel now like i've got EXCATLY what i want ,,  i've got the  low seat height low rider that looks cool and handles way waay better ,  than standard , with a bit more comfort ,   and i change seats and have a real comfortable  tourer , so am i happy yeas i am .

    The front end is a must   , i reckon at a push you could get away with possibly cheaper shocks if you buy a better than standard seat , but really a  top line shock which these are suppossed to be is probably not bad value at $1350 .

    One thing i will say is this , i'm not a hard enough or i suppose good enough rider that i reaqlly should of noticed a difference ,, but after this transformation , i  did notice , and come to relize i was riding the bike to suit the bike , changed things over   and in the bends i was constantly having to tell myself to slow down . Like i said i'm not someone who pushes the envelope ,  but the upgrade is definetly more confidence inspiring  suppose i just feel safer ,, so for when the standard seat is on ,, i feel safer ,, when the toring seat is on i feel safer and more comfortable ,,, is the upgrade worth $2300  ,, shit yeh , should of done it years ago , then i could of had the perfect bike , instead of spending thousads changing   bikes looking for the perfect one 
  • Ken in Cairns Posts: 635
    Cairns FNQ
    Performance Poster Ken in Cairns
    12 Feb 2020 04:06 AM
    Really glad you got it sorted mate.
    Excellent outcome.

    The sundowner seat is definitely a lot more comfortable than the stock one.
    I tried my stock one to see what it was like, lasted into town and back, hard and unforgiving is an understatement.

    There is probably a little bit more fine tuning you could do, but the units you have are fixed in compression rate, so that does limit what can be achieved.
    As long as you have found a balance you can live with comfort and performance wise that is the ideal outcome.
     Now go and enjoy :)
    Cheers
    Ken

  • boxa Posts: 702
    Performance Poster boxa
    12 Feb 2020 08:19 AM
    Quoting Ken in Cairns on 12 Feb 2020 04:06 AM
    Really glad you got it sorted mate.
    Excellent outcome.

    The sundowner seat is definitely a lot more comfortable than the stock one.
    I tried my stock one to see what it was like, lasted into town and back, hard and unforgiving is an understatement.

    There is probably a little bit more fine tuning you could do, but the units you have are fixed in compression rate, so that does limit what can be achieved.
    As long as you have found a balance you can live with comfort and performance wise that is the ideal outcome.
     Now go and enjoy :)
    Cheers
    Ken

    Yeh Ken real happy with it now ,, shoulf of done it years ago ,
  • Ken in Cairns Posts: 635
    Cairns FNQ
    Performance Poster Ken in Cairns
    12 Feb 2020 02:57 PM
    Yep, best thing I have done on mine too.
    Can't wait to get home and take a few days off somewhere, hopefully the rain should have stopped by then.
  • Steve L Posts: 1338
    Gold Coast
    Performance Poster Steve L
    13 Feb 2020 01:07 PM
    Quoting boxa on 21 Jan 2020 09:43 AMedited: 21 Jan 2020 09:54 AM
    Pretty much got it summed up what i'm after and want , . Its a hard one   theres so many too choose from with so many variations in price .. The place of choice for me was  a local guy , who like i said  has worked on all my bikes , but he's fairly adamant on a few things ,, He will not put racetech  front end with the gold valves , instead he insists that you put  ohlins back  back and front or ktech back and front ,,  but thats just TOOOO expensive

     Anyway to keep it simple   i decided to go racetech on front and one or the other on back ,, One thing that  has become   constant with who i talk to is i don't need the expensive piggy back  stuff ,  a few i've spoke to  have all said if you have back issusses and really need that extra bit of dial in ,  go  the piggy back otherwise its  overkill , this was confirmed by Ken .

    For the front  theres a couple around by me  who do the   race tech ,  prices i've got range from $750  to $850 ,  not bad  and that price seems consistant whoever you ring , its around the mark , , , theres 2 guys near me , the 750 one works from home , just started up ,  the 850 guy has been there in his work shop for years , employs an apprentice , so i'm gonna opt to go with him simply because for 100 bucks it helps out  a local buisness pay there rent , most except for my normal mechanic who sprouts the ohlins ktech only   say race tech , gold valve emulaters ect are the way to go .

    When it comes down to rear shocks that makes it harder ,, overkill is   what i need to be aware of , i'm no Mick doohan and its a harley not a haybuska on the track ,  so i seem to be offered a lot of choices ,  decided   Ohlins  or ktech , everyone says theres up there and the best , , Now my local guy  who highly recomends them , is the same price has everyone else for the Ktech  he says  1450 fitted ,  but  his price on the ohlins  is $650 -$750  dollars more than others , others are quoting  1700 -1850 fitted , he quotes , $2500 fitted , , but he says to me k tech at $1450  are the way i should go ,    a lot don't deal in them but all say there very good , so i might go that way .

    Other interesting thing is  the guy i'm gonna get to do the front end reccomends hagon nitro , not the piggy back the normal ones  with a 10 mill oversize , and there $85 fitte3d .

    worth noting for some of you , a few people suggested i put on yss , cos they deal with them , and quoted   around the $!600 dollar mark ,, but yss direct sells a front end and rear shock kit for $1000 , plus $200 for heavy duty .

    So all in all you ring around , try and do your homework and the options and prices vary so much you or at least i did get an headache , and confuse yourself ,  thats why i've decided , not to go with the yss and save heaps , or the  hagons  and save heaps , i'm gonna stick to either ohlins or ktech .

    But what i am gonna do , cos i think its only fair is my local guy who like i said  done 3 services for me  , and worked on my rocket gearbox in the last 12 months  , i'm gonna go in and ask him to explain why he's actually  $650 and $800  dearer  than two others for the same shock   who knows , maybee he is getting his ass spanked by Ohlins he's   a reccomended dealer for them  they may be charging him heaps more , it does happen   , i found when i was working my supplier was charging me around  20 % more  than guys buying a quarter of what i was , i was constantly having to check and re check  , I'' let him know ,   if the response is a so what he can get stuffed , he'll lose my buisness altogether .

    PS , You REALLY REALLY  should phone around , because  for the same shock it was not unusual to find  $300 - $500 variations in price  ,  most did'nt kow or want to tell me EXCATLY what  model shock i was getting  , after doing homework , thats when i started to relize the big differences in price

    ex .. hagons nitron , non piggy ,,  one mob $1200 , my local guy $885

      Yss $1600  direct to yss $750   or  a full front and back kit for $1000

     Ohlins stx 36 blacklines series 762 ,,    one mob . $1600 ---- someone else $1750 ... elsewhere , $2500 , with the ohlin distributer  being the expensive one

    Do your homework or get your arse spanked
    I got Joe to do my Streetglide, i did Racetech in the front and the cheaper K tech rears. It was a few years ago and from memory was about $2k fitted. He set it up for me but i continued to fine tune it and was happy with the result. I did used to push the big girl on occasions. ??
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