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  • DIYOllie Posts: 16
    Stock Poster DIYOllie
    04 Feb 2020 05:39 PM
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    Hello everyone.
    I'd like to install some gear driven cams in my 2016 Dyna, i have the cams, accessories (gears and such) and the tools pictured.
    Problem is I'm a bit nervous about doing it myself (first time) and would like to know if anyone in Brisbane who is experienced would like to help me (i'll be the assistant) in exchange for these tools (camshalft removal/installation plate, crankshaft runout tool and tapets magnets).
    It would be awesome if that person also has a bike lift.
    Thanks in advance.
  • Ken in Cairns Posts: 635
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    Performance Poster Ken in Cairns
    04 Feb 2020 06:43 PM
    It's pretty straight forward, the wording bit is pulling the old needle bearings.
    Put the new ones in the deep freezer overnight.
    Some good u tube vids on doing it.
    Would give you a hand but not in Brisvagas anymore.
    Cheers
    Ken
  • Phatty Posts: 49
    Stock Poster Phatty
    04 Feb 2020 07:04 PM
    He's gonna need a press to put the bearings and cams into the cam plate too.
  • DIYOllie Posts: 16
    Stock Poster DIYOllie
    04 Feb 2020 08:02 PM
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  • Ken in Cairns Posts: 635
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    Performance Poster Ken in Cairns
    05 Feb 2020 11:27 AM
    He has the press plate and tooling in the pics phatty.
    I just used my finger puller and machined up a drift to install the new ones, easy as after - 18 overnight.
    Wasn't any bearings in my cam/pump plate, only the two in the inner CC side.
  • DIYOllie Posts: 16
    Stock Poster DIYOllie
    05 Feb 2020 11:30 AM
    Quoting Phatty on 04 Feb 2020 07:04 PMedited: 04 Feb 2020 07:04 PM
    He's gonna need a press to put the bearings and cams into the cam plate too.
    I was wondering about the cam plate bearings, there’s no mention of that in the instructions. 
    https://assetcloud.roccommerce.net/files/_sscycle/9/3/4/106-6067-late-gear-drive-cams-20160405.pdf

    Am I missy something?
  • Ken in Cairns Posts: 635
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    Performance Poster Ken in Cairns
    05 Feb 2020 12:20 PM
    My cam plate had nothing, just the alloy acting as a bushing, I think the very early dynas (pre 2006) had a plain bearing, could be mistaken.
    Have look in your HD manual, it will give more detail on the cam plate. Nothing shown in the PDF from S&S about cam plate bearings, only the two CC needle bearings. They call the bores in the cam plate bearings, as it is where the cams are supported, but it isn't a "true" bearing or bushing.
    The needle bearings go in with the numbers facing out, or towards you btw.
    Hope that helps.
    Pretty sure it was an S&S video series I watched showing the cam install.
    Have a look on u tube or the S&S website.
    Goes through the complete process step by step.
    Cheers
    Ken
  • DIYOllie Posts: 16
    Stock Poster DIYOllie
    05 Feb 2020 01:26 PM
    Quoting Ken in Cairns on 05 Feb 2020 12:20 PM
    My cam plate had nothing, just the alloy acting as a bushing, I think the very early dynas (pre 2006) had a plain bearing, could be mistaken.
    Have look in your HD manual, it will give more detail on the cam plate. Nothing shown in the PDF from S&S about cam plate bearings, only the two CC needle bearings. They call the bores in the cam plate bearings, as it is where the cams are supported, but it isn't a "true" bearing or bushing.
    The needle bearings go in with the numbers facing out, or towards you btw.
    Hope that helps.
    Pretty sure it was an S&S video series I watched showing the cam install.
    Have a look on u tube or the S&S website.
    Goes through the complete process step by step.
    Cheers
    Ken
    Bearing numbers facing out, good tip, thank you!
  • Ken in Cairns Posts: 635
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    Performance Poster Ken in Cairns
    05 Feb 2020 01:29 PM
    No worries.
    The reason is the shell is thicker on that end, so less chance of damage during install.
  • Phatty Posts: 49
    Stock Poster Phatty
    05 Feb 2020 04:34 PM
    I di my Fatboy with gear drives and I got the whole kit and it came with the cam plate bearings as in the pic below.  

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  • Ken in Cairns Posts: 635
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    Performance Poster Ken in Cairns
    05 Feb 2020 11:42 PM
    Ok see what you mean phatty.
    Not shown in the installation instructions he linked.
    Should be pretty straight forward to install them..
    Again overnight in the freezer, and large socket should do it 
  • DJP_120ci Posts: 161
    Stock Poster DJP_120ci
    06 Feb 2020 02:19 PM
    Quoting Phatty on 05 Feb 2020 04:34 PM
    I di my Fatboy with gear drives and I got the whole kit and it came with the cam plate bearings as in the pic below.  

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    The picture you are referring to is the wrong install kit though. 

    No cam plate bearings for the 2016 Dyna that Ollie is putting these cams in. 
    Reading the install instructions it appears the cams should “slide” into the cam plate no mention of having to press them in. 
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  • Ken in Cairns Posts: 635
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    Performance Poster Ken in Cairns
    06 Feb 2020 07:54 PM
    That's what mine was like, cam plate was just bored to take the cams.
    No bearing or bush, just the alloy.
  • Phatty Posts: 49
    Stock Poster Phatty
    06 Feb 2020 11:21 PM
    No Probs, That makes it easier.
  • DIYOllie Posts: 16
    Stock Poster DIYOllie
    09 Feb 2020 03:44 PM
    I felt adventurous today and opened the bike. Unfortunately these cams won’t go in as my crank has a runout of 0.0065 :(
    But it hasn’t been all wasted time, I got to change the cam bearings and some o rings, and currently doing some powder coating on the tappets covers and pushrods covers.
    Thank you all for the hints and thank you Phatty for offering to help.
  • Phatty Posts: 49
    Stock Poster Phatty
    09 Feb 2020 06:37 PM
    No probs Ollie, Was at work all weekend ( Saturday and Sunday ) Got next week off. If you need a hand with anything else just ask mate.
  • Ken in Cairns Posts: 635
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    Performance Poster Ken in Cairns
    09 Feb 2020 10:50 PM
    Bang in a set of chain drive cams then ;)
    Also inspect the inner cam chain shoe closely, it seems to wear a bit faster than the easy to inspect outer.
    Sorry ur gear drives didn't fit due to the run out. 0.0065  isnt much what it the tolerance for gear drive 2 thou ? 
  • Phatty Posts: 49
    Stock Poster Phatty
    09 Feb 2020 11:36 PM
    3 Thou is max I think.
  • Ken in Cairns Posts: 635
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    Performance Poster Ken in Cairns
    10 Feb 2020 10:25 AM
    Ok,that's SFA.
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