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  • micathia Posts: 170
    Stock Poster micathia
    12 Feb 2020 01:00 AM
    Hi

    Time for shopping stage 1 for my wide glide. Will the following combination work?

    1. V/H pro-pipe, 2to1; 
    2. S&S® Single Bore Tuned Induction Kit for 2001-'17 HD® Stock EFI Big Twin (except Throttle By Wire and CVO®) Models - Chrome
    https://www.sscycle.com/products/ss-single-bore-tuned-induction-kit-for-2001-17-hd-stock-efi-big-twin-except-throttle-by-wire-and-cvo-models-chrome/
    3. I don't know much about tuner, just say harley dealer recommended one. 

    bike is 2016 dyna wide glide
    many thx



  • tussuck Posts: 2387
    Melbourne
    Motor Head tussuck
    12 Feb 2020 09:48 AM
    single-bore-tuned-induction-kit - what a lot of words to describe an air filter!

    You may need to consider a new ECU (also called a Tuner) as well to make the most of the modifications as it will allow adjustments to the fuel, air and timing.  Something programable with an Autotune function wuld be my suggestion - and there are a fair few out there with everyone really likeing the one they happen to own so that they do not look like idiots for spending big $$$ on a flop...lol...

    Research is your friend here plus an understanding of how hands on you are....me for example; I have a Thundermax with Autotune and am happy plugging my laptop into it and tweaking settings because thats how I roll - I'm a tinkerer.  Some folks are not as techy and are happy to let the Dealer install a screaming beagle or the like and then Dyno it.
  • micathia Posts: 170
    Stock Poster micathia
    12 Feb 2020 11:06 AM
    Quoting tussuck on 12 Feb 2020 09:48 AMedited: 12 Feb 2020 09:52 AM
    single-bore-tuned-induction-kit - what a lot of words to describe an air filter!

    You may need to consider a new ECU (also called a Tuner) as well to make the most of the modifications as it will allow adjustments to the fuel, air and timing.  Something programable with an Autotune function wuld be my suggestion - and there are a fair few out there with everyone really likeing the one they happen to own so that they do not look like idiots for spending big $$$ on a flop...lol...

    Research is your friend here plus an understanding of how hands on you are....me for example; I have a Thundermax with Autotune and am happy plugging my laptop into it and tweaking settings because thats how I roll - I'm a tinkerer.  Some folks are not as techy and are happy to let the Dealer install a screaming beagle or the like and then Dyno it.
    I heard about thundermax, will HD dealer resale it?
  • tussuck Posts: 2387
    Melbourne
    Motor Head tussuck
    12 Feb 2020 11:16 AM
    Quoting tussuck on 12 Feb 2020 09:48 AMedited: 12 Feb 2020 09:52 AM
    single-bore-tuned-induction-kit - what a lot of words to describe an air filter!

    You may need to consider a new ECU (also called a Tuner) as well to make the most of the modifications as it will allow adjustments to the fuel, air and timing.  Something programable with an Autotune function wuld be my suggestion - and there are a fair few out there with everyone really likeing the one they happen to own so that they do not look like idiots for spending big $$$ on a flop...lol...

    Research is your friend here plus an understanding of how hands on you are....me for example; I have a Thundermax with Autotune and am happy plugging my laptop into it and tweaking settings because thats how I roll - I'm a tinkerer.  Some folks are not as techy and are happy to let the Dealer install a screaming beagle or the like and then Dyno it.
    Quoting micathia on 12 Feb 2020 11:06 AM
    I heard about thundermax, will HD dealer resale it?
    Not sure if they do actually.  I think they plug the Harley Screamng Beagle Super tuner, which I have no actual experiance with.

    I believe the Thundermax AU folks are "easyr.com.au"
  • Ratbob Posts: 1258
    Adelaide Hills
    Performance Poster Ratbob
    12 Feb 2020 05:02 PM
    Wideys run a 1” shorter shock to most Dynas and the V&H Pro pipe scrapes at the back.
  • robots Posts: 1202
    Performance Poster robots
    12 Feb 2020 06:03 PM
    The pro-pipe is a great buy. They do hang out of the bike more than say a 2 to 2 so will scrape. But most will anyway.

    Only thing that is annoying with Pro-pipe is getting axle in and out
  • micathia Posts: 170
    Stock Poster micathia
    12 Feb 2020 08:30 PM
    Quoting Ratbob on 12 Feb 2020 05:02 PM
    Wideys run a 1” shorter shock to most Dynas and the V&H Pro pipe scrapes at the back.
    any other 2in1 to avoid this problem? 

    I don't want shortshot anymore, too loud. 

    Actually I want a long one because with shortshot on my 883, i smell petrol at all traffic light. not very healthy. 
  • micathia Posts: 170
    Stock Poster micathia
    12 Feb 2020 08:31 PM
    Quoting robots on 12 Feb 2020 06:03 PM
    The pro-pipe is a great buy. They do hang out of the bike more than say a 2 to 2 so will scrape. But most will anyway.

    Only thing that is annoying with Pro-pipe is getting axle in and out
    because of too much vibration?
  • Ratbob Posts: 1258
    Adelaide Hills
    Performance Poster Ratbob
    12 Feb 2020 08:55 PM
    Quoting robots on 12 Feb 2020 06:03 PM
    The pro-pipe is a great buy. They do hang out of the bike more than say a 2 to 2 so will scrape. But most will anyway.

    Only thing that is annoying with Pro-pipe is getting axle in and out
    Quoting micathia on 12 Feb 2020 08:31 PM
    because of too much vibration?
    No, it’s just that the V&H Pro is a fat ass pipe. IMO D&D make better performing pipes that don’t scrape.
    Mind you, I run the V&H BR 2-1. Only scrape at the front.
  • Ken in Cairns Posts: 635
    Cairns FNQ
    Performance Poster Ken in Cairns
    12 Feb 2020 10:27 PM
    Never scraped my supertrapp.
    Not the prettiest pipe but works for me.
  • micathia Posts: 170
    Stock Poster micathia
    12 Feb 2020 11:52 PM
    Hi

    the intake I mentioned in the op, says "Only fits models with Delphi fuel injection".  is this what 2016 Dyna Wide Glide using? its a stock bike with slip on atm. 
  • Big Steve Posts: 703
    Yarra Ranges
    Performance Poster Big Steve
    13 Feb 2020 10:49 AM
    On my 2010 Dyna I'm running a D&D bob Cat with a Dynojet Powervision
    On my 2014 Dyna I'm running V&H big shots with a Fuelpak FP3
    Arlen ness big suckers on both.

    If you're planning on goping above stage 1 I would go the powervision route. If you'll be staying iwth a stage 1 the FP3 will do the job.

    Both of these options are probably half what a dealer will sting you.
  • micathia Posts: 170
    Stock Poster micathia
    14 Feb 2020 07:08 PM
    I have ordered the S&C dual runner intake mentioned in the OP. 

    Now I need to decide what pipe to have. Has anyone heard about red thunder? It's made in Italy. It looks like thunderheader. 

    However, a guy on the youtube comment section said that his pipe got a dent only after his daughter accidentally threw basketball on it. He didn't tell whether it is thunderheader or red thunder, couldn't it be that soft? 




  • Wideglider Posts: 971
    NSW
    Performance Poster Wideglider
    14 Feb 2020 10:03 PM
    Quoting micathia on 14 Feb 2020 07:08 PM
    I have ordered the S&C dual runner intake mentioned in the OP. 

    Now I need to decide what pipe to have. Has anyone heard about red thunder? It's made in Italy. It looks like thunderheader. 

    However, a guy on the youtube comment section said that his pipe got a dent only after his daughter accidentally threw basketball on it. He didn't tell whether it is thunderheader or red thunder, couldn't it be that soft? 




    You actually read YouTube video comments?!
  • FXDF08 Posts: 123
    Stock Poster FXDF08
    14 Feb 2020 10:20 PM
    Bassani Road Rage 2 into 1. Neat fit, tucks up ok, so scraping minimal, with good note and I think it works ok. On my 2016 FXDL with hi flow air filter behind stock cover and SE Super Tuner.
  • micathia Posts: 170
    Stock Poster micathia
    15 Feb 2020 12:33 PM
    hi

    thx for all answers above. 

    I got more questions though. 

    Today I talked to my local shop, the tech says it is possible to use stock pipe to do the stage 1, but air intake have to change. Is this true? (I already bought air intake) 

    My pipe is stock with Screaming Eagle slipon (with proper air intake and tuners of course). Using this for stage 1 is tempting as I can save money and also important: I think my current pipe looks pretty cool, at least none of the full pipe on the market provide significant improvement looking wise. 

    But if I use SE slipon for stage 1, is there any compromise? performance-wise? sound-wise etc? (if I can take baffle wrap out, or baffle and baffle wrap both out?)

    thx


  • robots Posts: 1202
    Performance Poster robots
    15 Feb 2020 07:27 PM
    you have cat converter in the header so better to just buy a full exhaust system

    forget the shop, put new air cleaner on, buy full exhaust system and buy a tuner (fp3, PV etc)
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