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  • wello Posts: 328
    Stage 1 Poster wello
    16 Feb 2020 08:58 PM
    g,day .. possibly looking at getting the ultra treated with this toughseal product .. has anybody used it and if so how do you rate it ?
  • tussuck Posts: 2307
    Melbourne
    Motor Head tussuck
    16 Feb 2020 11:57 PM
    How much?  Its 'just' a ceramic coating - I'm sure I have a writeup somewhere here about the topic.

    Is it DIY?
  • wello Posts: 328
    Stage 1 Poster wello
    17 Feb 2020 12:08 PM
    Quoting tussuck on 16 Feb 2020 11:57 PM
    How much?  Its 'just' a ceramic coating - I'm sure I have a writeup somewhere here about the topic.

    Is it DIY?
    i ran into a guy while i was down at the new perth harley shop in midland, he was detailing a new bike that was sold  (ultra) so i asked him how much to do mine with this toughseal stuff .. i dont think its a ceramic like some other but i could be wrong .
    anyway $400 to do entire bike. and hes mobiles so comes to you.
  • tussuck Posts: 2307
    Melbourne
    Motor Head tussuck
    17 Feb 2020 01:02 PM
    Thats not a bad price...IF he does the proper job.  Should look like:

    • Wash
    • Decontamination (iron removal)
    • Clay bar
    • Wash again after all above
    • Paint Correction 
       o New bike would be single stage (swirl removal)
       o Old bike most likely two stage (cut and then swirl removal)
    • Ceramic coat (any claims of stuff lasting up to 5 years is total crap - 2 is the norm).  NOTE:  most of this stuff comes in a 30ml or 50ml bottle and he will use like 10ml-20ml for a bike so make sure you get the bottles when he is done as you will be paying for them.  typically thats about $80 - $100 ish of the price.
    • Then typically an overcoat for the ceramic whch is the hydrophobic coating (I think that’s the part 1 + part 2 in the toughseal kit)

    Could this be $400? Very easily as the cost of the paint correction equipment (and more importantly the actual products) are not cheap. Should take about 2 hours or more. (I can spend 6 hours on a small car to do a proper job)

    - Ask what steps he does and see if they fit with above
    - Ask what brand of products he uses (there are not that many out there and the diff between chit and god is pretty clear)
    - Ask if you 'have' to use a certain brand of product to wash your bike from that point on... In reality any good Meguires or the like will do a good job.

  • wello Posts: 328
    Stage 1 Poster wello
    17 Feb 2020 01:36 PM
    Quoting tussuck on 17 Feb 2020 01:02 PMedited: 17 Feb 2020 01:12 PM
    Thats not a bad price...IF he does the proper job.  Should look like:

    • Wash
    • Decontamination (iron removal)
    • Clay bar
    • Wash again after all above
    • Paint Correction 
       o New bike would be single stage (swirl removal)
       o Old bike most likely two stage (cut and then swirl removal)
    • Ceramic coat (any claims of stuff lasting up to 5 years is total crap - 2 is the norm).  NOTE:  most of this stuff comes in a 30ml or 50ml bottle and he will use like 10ml-20ml for a bike so make sure you get the bottles when he is done as you will be paying for them.  typically thats about $80 - $100 ish of the price.
    • Then typically an overcoat for the ceramic whch is the hydrophobic coating (I think that’s the part 1 + part 2 in the toughseal kit)

    Could this be $400? Very easily as the cost of the paint correction equipment (and more importantly the actual products) are not cheap. Should take about 2 hours or more. (I can spend 6 hours on a small car to do a proper job)

    - Ask what steps he does and see if they fit with above
    - Ask what brand of products he uses (there are not that many out there and the diff between chit and god is pretty clear)
    - Ask if you 'have' to use a certain brand of product to wash your bike from that point on... In reality any good Meguires or the like will do a good job.

    yeh ive seen the little bottles of that stuff.. look really small.. however this toughseal stuff looks to be quite large bottles.. he says its a ceramic product but its seams to be quite different to the others .. looks more like a normal type of wax in a bottle so be farked if i know .
  • Soapbox2627 Posts: 3461
    Whyalla South Australia
    Forum Legend Soapbox2627
    17 Feb 2020 10:15 PM
    I got 4 bottles of it, will do the Roady one day
  • wello Posts: 328
    Stage 1 Poster wello
    18 Feb 2020 12:22 AM
    spoke to the guy again today .. he says its    toughseal ceramic QFX .. apparently u cant buy it and its only distributed to trained  detailers , so anyway ive boked him . for next thurs .. only problem i have now is geetin the farkin water stains off by bike ... jeez black is a pain !!!!!!
  • tussuck Posts: 2307
    Melbourne
    Motor Head tussuck
    18 Feb 2020 07:28 AM
    Quoting wello on 18 Feb 2020 12:22 AMedited: 18 Feb 2020 12:23 AM
    spoke to the guy again today .. he says its    toughseal ceramic QFX .. apparently u cant buy it and its only distributed to trained  detailers , so anyway ive boked him . for next thurs .. only problem i have now is geetin the farkin water stains off by bike ... jeez black is a pain !!!!!!
    Hang on...
    Question:  Is he doing any paint preparation at all or 'just' applies the product and that it?  You should not have to do a thing in prep.
  • Soapbox2627 Posts: 3461
    Whyalla South Australia
    Forum Legend Soapbox2627
    18 Feb 2020 08:57 AM
    Quoting wello on 18 Feb 2020 12:22 AMedited: 18 Feb 2020 12:23 AM
    spoke to the guy again today .. he says its    toughseal ceramic QFX .. apparently u cant buy it and its only distributed to trained  detailers , so anyway ive boked him . for next thurs .. only problem i have now is geetin the farkin water stains off by bike ... jeez black is a pain !!!!!!
    Quoting tussuck on 18 Feb 2020 07:28 AMedited: 18 Feb 2020 07:28 AM
    Hang on...
    Question:  Is he doing any paint preparation at all or 'just' applies the product and that it?  You should not have to do a thing in prep.

    I had the Ranger done brand new, dropped off for 11, picked up at 2.

    he gave me the rest of the bottle

    I dont know what prep he done, I'd guess he had lunch also

  • tussuck Posts: 2307
    Melbourne
    Motor Head tussuck
    18 Feb 2020 09:51 AM
    Okay...well I guess if your happy with the outcome then all is good! Perhaps I'm just too OCD...lol
  • wello Posts: 328
    Stage 1 Poster wello
    18 Feb 2020 11:53 AM
    Quoting wello on 18 Feb 2020 12:22 AMedited: 18 Feb 2020 12:23 AM
    spoke to the guy again today .. he says its    toughseal ceramic QFX .. apparently u cant buy it and its only distributed to trained  detailers , so anyway ive boked him . for next thurs .. only problem i have now is geetin the farkin water stains off by bike ... jeez black is a pain !!!!!!
    Quoting tussuck on 18 Feb 2020 07:28 AMedited: 18 Feb 2020 07:28 AM
    Hang on...
    Question:  Is he doing any paint preparation at all or 'just' applies the product and that it?  You should not have to do a thing in prep.
    nah mate , in my infinite wisdom i decided to clean my brand new bike as it was covered in dust from a ride the day before .. so i hosed it down and then decided to used the blower vac on it to dry it off .. i thought i had done a good job at first , looked great in the garage.. but then i wheeled it outside in the sunlight and  faaaaaaaark what a mess !!!!

    i normaly dry off with a shammy but i didnt want to put any blemished on the new paint .. that didnt work out as planned so now i gotta go get something to remove all the water stain marks .
  • tussuck Posts: 2307
    Melbourne
    Motor Head tussuck
    18 Feb 2020 02:34 PM
    Quoting wello on 18 Feb 2020 12:22 AMedited: 18 Feb 2020 12:23 AM
    spoke to the guy again today .. he says its    toughseal ceramic QFX .. apparently u cant buy it and its only distributed to trained  detailers , so anyway ive boked him . for next thurs .. only problem i have now is geetin the farkin water stains off by bike ... jeez black is a pain !!!!!!
    Quoting tussuck on 18 Feb 2020 07:28 AMedited: 18 Feb 2020 07:28 AM
    Hang on...
    Question:  Is he doing any paint preparation at all or 'just' applies the product and that it?  You should not have to do a thing in prep.
    Quoting wello on 18 Feb 2020 11:53 AM
    nah mate , in my infinite wisdom i decided to clean my brand new bike as it was covered in dust from a ride the day before .. so i hosed it down and then decided to used the blower vac on it to dry it off .. i thought i had done a good job at first , looked great in the garage.. but then i wheeled it outside in the sunlight and  faaaaaaaark what a mess !!!!

    i normaly dry off with a shammy but i didnt want to put any blemished on the new paint .. that didnt work out as planned so now i gotta go get something to remove all the water stain marks .
    Try a vinegar/water mix for the waterstains as they are normally mineral based.
    Shammy = 40 grit sandpaper.  Invest in some top notch microfibre towels instead. and hosing down never works....lol..but good try.

  • JFE Posts: 1902
    NSW
    Motor Head JFE
    18 Feb 2020 07:26 PM
    Quality drying towels do a good job, I’ve found. Better than a shammy.
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