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slip-on pipe as stage 1 or 2?

  • micathia
    micathia
    3 years ago
    S&S is promoting a stage 2 kit here:
    https://www.sscycle.com/stage2kit

    It confused me that isn't slip-ons are for sounds only? will not improve performance at all? 


  • dicko
    dicko
    3 years ago
    Quoting micathia on 21 May 2020 01:38 AM

    S&S is promoting a stage 2 kit here:

    https://www.sscycle.com/stage2kit

    It confused me that isn't slip-ons are for sounds only? will not improve performance at all? 


    Looks like a perfect kit to me and yes it will improve performance with correct ECM map.
  • micathia
    micathia
    3 years ago
    Quoting micathia on 21 May 2020 01:38 AM

    S&S is promoting a stage 2 kit here:

    https://www.sscycle.com/stage2kit

    It confused me that isn't slip-ons are for sounds only? will not improve performance at all? 


    Quoting dicko on 21 May 2020 02:04 AM

    Looks like a perfect kit to me and yes it will improve performance with correct ECM map.

    so no sacrifice at all compared with full pipe? 

  • tussuck
    tussuck
    3 years ago
    Considering the OEM pipes are restricted as heck you might find the more free flowing slip-ons a little loud/deeper in tone.  They work as they provide less back pressure and easier exhaust exit.  
    The fatory pipes are slip on too!  just made by Harley and not S&S
  • dicko
    dicko
    3 years ago
    Quoting micathia on 21 May 2020 01:38 AM

    S&S is promoting a stage 2 kit here:

    https://www.sscycle.com/stage2kit

    It confused me that isn't slip-ons are for sounds only? will not improve performance at all? 


    Quoting dicko on 21 May 2020 02:04 AM

    Looks like a perfect kit to me and yes it will improve performance with correct ECM map.

    Quoting micathia on 21 May 2020 02:22 AMedited: 21 May 2020 02:33 AM

    so no sacrifice at all compared with full pipe? 

    nope it will be perfect
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    3 years ago
    Quoting micathia on 21 May 2020 01:38 AM

    S&S is promoting a stage 2 kit here:

    https://www.sscycle.com/stage2kit

    It confused me that isn't slip-ons are for sounds only? will not improve performance at all? 


    Yes there is a performance gain but if you were headed for a wilder motor then a full system with a 2-1 pipe would be the way a engine builder may suggest you go.
  • Jay-Dee
    Jay-Dee
    3 years ago
    Quoting micathia on 21 May 2020 01:38 AM

    S&S is promoting a stage 2 kit here:

    https://www.sscycle.com/stage2kit

    It confused me that isn't slip-ons are for sounds only? will not improve performance at all? 


    Quoting dicko on 21 May 2020 02:04 AM

    Looks like a perfect kit to me and yes it will improve performance with correct ECM map.

    Quoting micathia on 21 May 2020 02:22 AMedited: 21 May 2020 02:33 AM

    so no sacrifice at all compared with full pipe? 

    The comparison against a full pipe would depend on its design and construction but very possibly the stock system with slip ons would perform and sound better.
  • micathia
    micathia
    3 years ago
    Ok, I think I ran into a dilemma now.  
    This is my bike before: stock pipe head with SE slipon


     
    and this is what it looks now: stage 1


    I kinda miss its stock looking pipes. If I upgrade it to stage II while using the SE and stock header, does it have less performance than Rinehart Crossback in stage 2? Given that my understanding is, air intake is usually not the bottleneck of performance?!

    And if I replace the quiet baffle in SE, how loud it can become? CrossBack is loud (117db) but not as loud as my VH Sideshot on 883 (120db). 
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  • wello
    wello
    3 years ago
    prefer the original .. not a lover of those filters .. and i think ur longer pipes look better , but thats just me
  • Mr.Mow
    Mr.Mow
    3 years ago
    Remember with the stock wideglide exhaust most of the restriction is in the headers with the cat and valve thing, slip-ons will only do so much.
    And man the whole 'stage 1,2,3' is more marketing talk than anything else.
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    3 years ago
    Quoting micathia on 22 May 2020 03:08 AMedited: 22 May 2020 03:10 AM

    Ok, I think I ran into a dilemma now.  

    This is my bike before: stock pipe head with SE slipon


     
    and this is what it looks now: stage 1


    I kinda miss its stock looking pipes. If I upgrade it to stage II while using the SE and stock header, does it have less performance than Rinehart Crossback in stage 2? Given that my understanding is, air intake is usually not the bottleneck of performance?!

    And if I replace the quiet baffle in SE, how loud it can become? CrossBack is loud (117db) but not as loud as my VH Sideshot on 883 (120db). 

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    I agree, the stock pipes look good.  And i just fing hate those bloody aircleaners.  May as well be a honda given EVERY harley has one.
  • dicko
    dicko
    3 years ago
    Quoting wello on 22 May 2020 03:32 AM

    prefer the original .. not a lover of those filters .. and i think ur longer pipes look better , but thats just me

    I also like the original look just remove the cat and keep the slipons. IMHO.
  • wello
    wello
    3 years ago
    Quoting wello on 22 May 2020 03:32 AM

    prefer the original .. not a lover of those filters .. and i think ur longer pipes look better , but thats just me

    Quoting dicko on 23 May 2020 01:27 AM

    I also like the original look just remove the cat and keep the slipons. IMHO.

    cant get my head around when they cross over the header pipes .. it looks like shite and i dont see why it needs to be done, plus it then sticks out further and makes your leg hotter and possibly obstructs gettin ur feet on the pegs 
  • Timmy
    Timmy
    3 years ago
    Quoting Mr.Mow on 22 May 2020 04:11 AM

    Remember with the stock wideglide exhaust most of the restriction is in the headers with the cat and valve thing, slip-ons will only do so much.

    And man the whole 'stage 1,2,3' is more marketing talk than anything else.

    The catalyst is in the slip-on OEM muffler, not the header.
    I can’t see why a stock header with performance slip ons isn’t equal to a full Aftermarket exhaust on a mild setup.  I’m sure the butt Dyno wouldn’t notice a thing.  
  • Timmy
    Timmy
    3 years ago
    Quoting Mr.Mow on 22 May 2020 04:11 AM

    Remember with the stock wideglide exhaust most of the restriction is in the headers with the cat and valve thing, slip-ons will only do so much.

    And man the whole 'stage 1,2,3' is more marketing talk than anything else.

    The catalyst is in the slip-on OEM muffler, not the header.
    I can’t see why a stock header with performance slip ons isn’t equal to a full Aftermarket exhaust on a mild setup.  I’m sure the butt Dyno wouldn’t notice a thing.  
  • WideglidingNZ
    WideglidingNZ
    3 years ago
    Quoting Mr.Mow on 22 May 2020 04:11 AM

    Remember with the stock wideglide exhaust most of the restriction is in the headers with the cat and valve thing, slip-ons will only do so much.

    And man the whole 'stage 1,2,3' is more marketing talk than anything else.

    Quoting Timmy on 26 May 2020 03:46 PM

    The catalyst is in the slip-on OEM muffler, not the header.

    I can’t see why a stock header with performance slip ons isn’t equal to a full Aftermarket exhaust on a mild setup.  I’m sure the butt Dyno wouldn’t notice a thing.  

    The cat is in the rear of the header just before the slip-ons (on my  previous '15 wideglide anyways) they can be cut out with a little hassle, I had the Rinehart cross-over's fitted also but in chrome (which I liked and kept my leg warm)  
  • Timmy
    Timmy
    3 years ago
    Quoting Mr.Mow on 22 May 2020 04:11 AM

    Remember with the stock wideglide exhaust most of the restriction is in the headers with the cat and valve thing, slip-ons will only do so much.

    And man the whole 'stage 1,2,3' is more marketing talk than anything else.

    Quoting Timmy on 26 May 2020 03:46 PM

    The catalyst is in the slip-on OEM muffler, not the header.

    I can’t see why a stock header with performance slip ons isn’t equal to a full Aftermarket exhaust on a mild setup.  I’m sure the butt Dyno wouldn’t notice a thing.  

    Quoting WideglidingNZ on 26 May 2020 07:14 PM

    The cat is in the rear of the header just before the slip-ons (on my  previous '15 wideglide anyways) they can be cut out with a little hassle, I had the Rinehart cross-over's fitted also but in chrome (which I liked and kept my leg warm)  

    Well there you go you learn something everyday.  Wide glide has it in the header.  My softails is in the mufflers.  I’m guessing a tourer is in the header also.
  • micathia
    micathia
    3 years ago
    Is there something I can do with screaming eagle slipon to make it louder? like performance baffle or anything? 
    How screaming eagle slipon compared with s&s grand national slipon?
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