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  • ratsmow Posts: 185
    Stock Poster ratsmow
    12 Dec 2007 10:59 PM

    Who changes there own oil, did mine the other day. Did it as it says in the book and thought it was strange that you only drain the oil from the oil tank, there's no actual drain in the crankcase. Says in the manual not to add more than 3.3 litres when refilling but i think this is for total engine rebuild. I only took 2.25 litres out so was thinkin there must be another litre floating round in there some where. Rang the dealer just to make sure and he said they never add more than 2.8 litre after an oil change which is approx what i added when refilling. Any way just  thought it was odd that there is no crankcase drain, oh and dont try doing this without the proper filter wrench from HD, no way you can get that filter off by hand, just no room to get hold of the thing. dealer also told me he had a customer try and undo the grubscrew in the bottom of the crankcase as he thought this was a drain, he cracked the case while doing this and cost him $2500 to get it repaired, cheap oil change hey

  • Fatboy_SirGarfield Posts: 0
    Fatboy_SirGarfield
    12 Dec 2007 11:46 PM

    HD's run a Dry Sump, there is a scavenge section of the oil pump, it's purpose is to pump the oil from the crankcase back to the oil tank (oil bag).  There is always going to be 100 mls or so in the crankcase with the engine stopped, more if you let it idle on the sidestand before you shut it down.  Then there's the oil left in the external lines, internal galleries and the oil pump and what's in the filter that spills when you remove it.

    Remember always underfill when doing an oil change, ride the bike bring it to operating temperature and then check the oil level before adding the last 1/2 to 3/4 of a litre.   If you over fill it has to go somewhere and that place is usually down the side of the bike when it pops the oil tank cap off or spews out through the air cleaner.

     

  • ratsmow Posts: 185
    Stock Poster ratsmow
    13 Dec 2007 06:05 PM

    thanks for that fatboy, i was thinking maybe they ran a dry sump so thats good you confirmed my suspicion.

  • paulybronco Posts: 10076
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    14 Apr 2018 07:26 PM
    Posted by 14flhtk on 14 Apr 2018 07:25 PM
    get a scavenger kit from
    rogue choppers.com

     Guess he has it sorted by now......it was 11 yrs ago that post

  • Soapbox2627 Posts: 3083
    Whyalla South Australia
    Forum Legend Soapbox2627
    14 Apr 2018 10:45 PM
    Posted by paulybronco on 14 Apr 2018 07:26 PM
    Posted by 14flhtk on 14 Apr 2018 07:25 PM
    get a scavenger kit from
    rogue choppers.com

     Guess he has it sorted by now......it was 11 yrs ago that post

     Ahh, but does he check the oil with the dipstick on the stand or upright

  • shreko Posts: 10
    Brisbane, southside
    Stock Poster shreko
    14 Apr 2018 10:55 PM
    Posted by 14flhtk on 14 Apr 2018 07:25 PM
    get a scavenger kit from
    rogue choppers.com

     Prob a stupid Question but why get a Scavenger kit? what does it do??

  • Hilly Posts: 2142
    Townsville
    Motor Head Hilly
    14 Apr 2018 11:07 PM
    Posted by shreko on 14 Apr 2018 10:55 PM
    Posted by 14flhtk on 14 Apr 2018 07:25 PM
    get a scavenger kit from
    rogue choppers.com

     Prob a stupid Question but why get a Scavenger kit? what does it do??

     Lets you get most of the old oil out on an oil change, I have one, on my softy it pumps out about 700-800ml of dirty oil before it's clear, needed? Maybe not but I like it.

  • shreko Posts: 10
    Brisbane, southside
    Stock Poster shreko
    14 Apr 2018 11:28 PM
    Posted by Hilly on 14 Apr 2018 11:07 PM
    Posted by shreko on 14 Apr 2018 10:55 PM
    Posted by 14flhtk on 14 Apr 2018 07:25 PM
    get a scavenger kit from
    rogue choppers.com

     Prob a stupid Question but why get a Scavenger kit? what does it do??

     Lets you get most of the old oil out on an oil change, I have one, on my softy it pumps out about 700-800ml of dirty oil before it's clear, needed? Maybe not but I like it.

     oh yeah sweet, im looking to install a oil cooler, would it scavenge out of there also?


  • Odin Posts: 305
    South Australia
    Stage 1 Poster Odin
    15 Apr 2018 06:36 AM
    Posted by Hilly on 14 Apr 2018 10:37 PM
    Posted by shreko on 14 Apr 2018 10:55 PM
    Posted by 14flhtk on 14 Apr 2018 07:25 PM
    get a scavenger kit from
    rogue choppers.com

     Prob a stupid Question but why get a Scavenger kit? what does it do??

     Lets you get most of the old oil out on an oil change, I have one, on my softy it pumps out about 700-800ml of dirty oil before it's clear, needed? Maybe not but I like it.

     +1 on this Hilly, cant beat the scavenger. Yes also works with oil coolers shreko. Have a look at the Rougue chopper web site. They are not very expensive

  • Krash Kinkade Posts: 2110
    Motor Head Krash Kinkade
    15 Apr 2018 08:21 AM
    Just wondering if you can run this scavenger kit, while you ride?
    as it could add a few horses.
  • Hilly Posts: 2142
    Townsville
    Motor Head Hilly
    15 Apr 2018 09:10 AM
    Posted by Krash Kinkade on 15 Apr 2018 08:21 AM
    Just wondering if you can run this scavenger kit, while you ride?
    as it could add a few horses.

     Be a short ride, give it a go and report back.....with pics

    I look at it like wiping your arse properly, better to get as much shit off as you can.

  • shreko Posts: 10
    Brisbane, southside
    Stock Poster shreko
    15 Apr 2018 09:11 AM
    just checked out their website and will be investing in one of these... question, in the video it looked as though the bike was running, is it not bad to run the bike with no oil in the engine or bike? just figure if using this to remove old oil, new oil wouldnt be in the engine yet 







  • Hilly Posts: 2142
    Townsville
    Motor Head Hilly
    15 Apr 2018 09:51 AM
    You put new oil in the tank after you have drained the old, screw the puck on instead of a filter, run the bike for a few seconds until the remaining old oil is pushed out then shut it off, fit a new filter and top up the oil again, you don't run it without oil.
  • GTEEZ Posts: 92
    WA
    Stock Poster GTEEZ
    15 Apr 2018 11:04 AM
    I have a Scavenger kit to suit a TC Softail for sale. I think I even have the CD. $50 + freight. PM if interested.
  • T4 Posts: 59
    Stock Poster T4
    15 Apr 2018 11:20 AM
    Several ways to do this without buying the scavenge kit. I cut down an old filter to use as a puck:

    HD Forums Australia - SAM_3090 (640x480).jpg

    HD Forums Australia - SAM_3091 (640x480).jpg

    But you can run the engine til the oil runs clear from the return line, stop the engine, reattach the return line and top up the oil tank. Did this for years before I got off my lazy butt and made the old filter puck.

    Cheers, Will

  • shreko Posts: 10
    Brisbane, southside
    Stock Poster shreko
    15 Apr 2018 11:46 AM
    Posted by GTEEZ on 15 Apr 2018 11:04 AM
    I have a Scavenger kit to suit a TC Softail for sale. I think I even have the CD. $50 + freight. PM if interested.

     done

  • T4 Posts: 59
    Stock Poster T4
    15 Apr 2018 10:15 PM
    By chance, my old sporty was due for an oil change (a little while ago) which I got round to this evening. I didn't remember this thread until I had nearly finished so I was unable to take a video of the old oil pumping out of the scavenge line return but I did take a couple of photos. The first is an extra line hooked up to the oil tank return:

    HD Forums Australia - SAM_3093 (640x480).jpg



    Then a pot full of old black oil that had been in the motor that doesn't get changed unless you use some sort of scavenging system, and will contaminate your fresh oil:


    HD Forums Australia - SAM_3092 (640x480).jpg



    HD Forums Australia - SAM_3095 (640x480).jpg

    HD Forums Australia - SAM_3096 (640x480).jpg

    I measured the amount. It was just short of a litre:


    HD Forums Australia - SAM_3097 (640x480).jpg

    During this process I had my home brewed puck in place of the oil filter:


    HD Forums Australia - SAM_3094 (640x480).jpg

    Cheers, Will

  • markwoumla Posts: 1465
    Performance Poster markwoumla
    15 Apr 2018 11:17 PM
    For those thinking of getting the oil scavenger kits, and are not that savvy or knowledgeable on year or model  , just be aware there are a number of different types for different years and models..... On the Rouge Chopper website there is a drop down menu that helps sorting that out, plus videos etc .....

    On the earlier models , it seems a clean and painless procedure to get the last of the contaminated oil out ...... The later (touring) models you have to remove the pipe fitting plug, (the one next to the oil drain plug,, the one that  is recommended not to remove), to use the scavenger kit ..... Some have second thoughts on removing that pipe type plug as there are instances when removing  that  plug,  the  case can be damaged or crack ..... 

    To scavenge or not to scavenge the last of the contaminated oil out ,,, your call ,,, just be aware of the above .......


  • steelo Posts: 1949
    Adelaide foothills SA
    Motor Head steelo
    16 Apr 2018 09:05 AM
    Love your measuring stick T4.
  • fatbat Posts: 2630
    Forum Legend fatbat
    16 Apr 2018 12:13 PM
    Posted by steelo on 16 Apr 2018 09:05 AM
    Love your measuring stick T4.

     At least he didn't use his old fella 

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