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  • Retroman Posts: 1009
    The far west
    Performance Poster Retroman
    27 Dec 2018 09:51 PM

    2008 CVO Springer up for a compensator upgrade at 38,000 K's

    I have found a part # for the Screamin Eagle Compensator kit , 42200064A , local HD dealer reckons this is all I'll need ?

    I have also found part # 40100061 , which I believe is the same as the above compensator kit BUT with a "new suitable rotor" as my bike is a 2008

    Are there any (further) updated parts that anyone could recommend ? I know the SE compensators have had a couple of updates themselves ( at least !) 

  • paulybronco Posts: 11435
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    27 Dec 2018 09:56 PM
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  • Retroman Posts: 1009
    The far west
    Performance Poster Retroman
    27 Dec 2018 09:58 PM
    Sorry "cut and pastie" she no workee !
  • paulybronco Posts: 11435
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    27 Dec 2018 10:15 PM
    My std comp failed at about 15k , so installed the S/E comp, bike done 70k now and the noise is coming back. They are far better than the std comp. (2012 street glide) There is also a comp eliminator kit that does away with the comp completely....
  • Retroman Posts: 1009
    The far west
    Performance Poster Retroman
    27 Dec 2018 10:24 PM

    I hear mixed reports out of the US regarding the "new" SE Compensator. Some very good like yours , some not so glowing.

    I would rather fit "Genuine HD" parts I think as you just know they're gunna fit.

    My stock compensator lasted 38,000 K's but I am not a burnout dude and never wrap it on until the motor has warmed up properly. Baggers are also well heavier of course

    So I will give the SE comp' upgrade a go. Just trying to make sure I get the right parts and or the most updated.

    Thanks pauly

  • paulybronco Posts: 11435
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    27 Dec 2018 10:37 PM
    I would recommend them. 
  • ralphski Posts: 1015
    NE Foothills, ADELAIDE
    Performance Poster ralphski
    28 Dec 2018 12:27 PM
    Greg just wondering how you knew that a new compensator was on the cards, or Paul for that matter.
    when my bike runs over bumps with some throttle i notice a slight noise and a slight reduction in drive.
    when the engine was put back in, the compensator seemed ok ( sliding cam, shaft extension, compensating sprocket )
    thoughts ?
    done about the same km's as your CVO Springer
  • paulybronco Posts: 11435
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    28 Dec 2018 01:23 PM
    Better to let you hear it than explain it. My first one also got that bad that it would jump the comp cam and the bike would lose drive for a split second if you accelerated hard under load




  • Retroman Posts: 1009
    The far west
    Performance Poster Retroman
    28 Dec 2018 01:25 PM

    I noticed a gradually increasing "chain rattle" type of noise , more noticeable while riding than when idling. Worst around 2000 RPM

    Also the occasional loud "clunk" when accelerating after a period of cruising. I suspected the compensator as it is OEM from 2008

    Changed the primary oil , first time in 10 months but maybe 2500 K's , plug looked like a Christmas tree with swarf.

    Always usually a "wee bit" but this was like a hedgehog compared to "normal"

    Cleaned off the plug , new quart of Formula+ ( normally I use Synthetic but keep the Formula for bikes I service where the guys want "Harley Oil" )

    Worst noise was on a recent 41C day hence the looksee and the Formula +

    Rode the bike yesterday 27C over to a well known Perth Indy shop to get his opinon

    Other than the "whooshing/chain slap" behaved itself all the way. At idle at his place he deduced "compensator fucked" most likely on the way out.

    He has the full kit with rotor 40100061 in stock (Frasers don't !). I do some work for this guy, and I don't have the "special tools" needed for this job.

    Not worth me buying them for a once in 10 years job. So it will be going in to him next week when he gets a slot in his schedule.

    I already have a much younger outer primary from a Dyna Switchback that has the cast in oil tray , may use that in the build.

    Part # 60784-06A   New bike take-off for a chrome kit a while back . Been sitting in my shed ever since. Polished alloy tho' not chrome.

    Alloy finish of course so mebbe it won't look the goods. We'll see

  • paulybronco Posts: 11435
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    28 Dec 2018 01:33 PM
    The S/E kit comes with a "oil deflector" that gets glued to the roof of the primary case, inside of course, to deflect the oil that gets slashed around back on to the comp. I kid you not this HD technology at its finest!  LOL
  • carbon fibre Posts: 402
    Stage 1 Poster carbon fibre
    28 Dec 2018 02:06 PM
    Going through something similar myself, I have already replaced comp with latest and greatest SE kit, so just as info for Retro as I know he has plenty experience.
    I am also getting primary noise due to excessive runout of clutch basket on clutch hub, easy check, pull clutch plates and turn clutch hub, watch the basket wobble.
  • Retroman Posts: 1009
    The far west
    Performance Poster Retroman
    28 Dec 2018 02:36 PM

    Thanks for the headsup Carbon, I will look for that while in there.

    I don't have the clutch hub locking tool ( I know they are easy enough to make !) but also I don't have a 170ft/lb torque wrench neither.

    I have never personally had a compensator unit fail in all these years , and had several bikes go 70,000 K's before I sold them.

    On my 2000 Deuce the compensator sprocket nut came loose causing a khant of a noise , primary off , Loctite red , on with a borrowed torque set rattle gun.

    Good for another 30,000 K's on that bike !

  • Baloffski Posts: 1629
    Victoria
    Motor Head Baloffski
    28 Dec 2018 06:52 PM
    Quoting Retroman on 28 Dec 2018 02:36 PM

    Thanks for the headsup Carbon, I will look for that while in there.

    I don't have the clutch hub locking tool ( I know they are easy enough to make !) but also I don't have a 170ft/lb torque wrench neither.

    I have never personally had a compensator unit fail in all these years , and had several bikes go 70,000 K's before I sold them.

    On my 2000 Deuce the compensator sprocket nut came loose causing a khant of a noise , primary off , Loctite red , on with a borrowed torque set rattle gun.

    Good for another 30,000 K's on that bike !

    Like that.

  • Hoodeng Posts: 171
    Stock Poster Hoodeng
    29 Dec 2018 10:31 AM
    Use the latest version of the SE compensator that will suit your model or a brand name one ,don't delete the compensator entirely as it plays a very important part in dampening cyclic vibration .The addition of a manual primary chain adjuster if you have a relatively high horsepower engine will be beneficial as will replacing the OEM primary chain with a US made brand name chain.
    The oil guide was a very good addition to the SE compensator , i had an earlier version that started to gall the sprocket cam ring  bearing suggesting there was insufficient splash oil supply that up to that version has been adequate in all models, the thrust bearing plate  was a pretty neat fit on this type which would have restricted oil supply to the mating surfaces,this has been corrected.

    Cheers.
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  • ralphski Posts: 1015
    NE Foothills, ADELAIDE
    Performance Poster ralphski
    29 Dec 2018 01:54 PM
    only issue i had was a wear mark on the inner primary cover, which i couldn't work out what had caused the mark.

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  • Hoodeng Posts: 171
    Stock Poster Hoodeng
    30 Dec 2018 10:00 AM
    That mark can be seen in some high horsepower situations ,basically it is deflecting the trans input shaft forward till the shell touches.
    Some years back when the 124S&S was getting bolted into just about anything we would see the bearing support inner race walk into the main output shaft seal, there were a number of fixes offered.

    Cheers.
  • ralphski Posts: 1015
    NE Foothills, ADELAIDE
    Performance Poster ralphski
    30 Dec 2018 03:05 PM
    Quoting Hoodeng on 30 Dec 2018 10:00 AM
    That mark can be seen in some high horsepower situations ,basically it is deflecting the trans input shaft forward till the shell touches.
    Some years back when the 124S&S was getting bolted into just about anything we would see the bearing support inner race walk into the main output shaft seal, there were a number of fixes offered.

    Cheers.
    changed out the hub bearing
    primary chain alignment fine
    and i recon no change in the sprocket shaft spacer ( timken conversion ) was required
    haven't pulled it apart as i don't think i need to.
    no noises like in the videos etc
    so far so good
    i have a trip to Tassie in Feb, might have a look when i get back.
  • Hoodeng Posts: 171
    Stock Poster Hoodeng
    31 Dec 2018 10:28 AM
    You have done all that is required to set the drive up right ,, it is the collective distortion in the shaft and clutch assembly that is doing it.
    Don't worry about it as will only occur rarely , i have seen a lot worse than yours !

    Cheers.
  • Retroman Posts: 1009
    The far west
    Performance Poster Retroman
    04 Jan 2019 04:55 PM

    Well fitted up the Compensator upgrade kit 40100061. Had to remove the inner primary ( Khant of a job which is why many folks grind the primary case below the stator.

    As the bike is a 2008 the original stator needed to be replaced with the one in the kit

    All seemed to go smooth , used the more modern alloy primary cover with the built in "Oil splash tray"

    Started it up , small run , not too smooth and CLUNK when shutting off. WTF ? $635 Aussie dollars worth of parts and it's worse ?

    Also noisy as before while riding , whistley/whirring and the odd occasional clunk. that was yesterday.

    Internet search last night until midnight , whipped it open again today , put an extra dish spring in ( as suggested in other forums etc etc )

    Another 2 hour job after cleanup etc etc...STILL NOISY AND CLUNKLY on shutdown and whirring on the move.

    Yes sounds just like a bad primary as in all the youtube videos.

    Next stripdown this coming Sunday maybe The indy shop is going to try another younger part number kit that only has the hardware , no rotor required.

    We'll see how that goes. Struggling to imagine what may be the problem to be honest ?

  • Retroman Posts: 1009
    The far west
    Performance Poster Retroman
    04 Jan 2019 06:15 PM

    Funnily enough no !

    Only the slightest wear was evident on the original 2008 OEM ramps etc. The "spring pack" had lost tension , but of course they are "peened in" and do not seem to be replaceable/updateable.

    That original unit lasted 38000 K's in a torquey 110. Very little and/or NO clunking in the OEM parts , or not yet. 4000 K's oil changes helped there I'm sure

    Stu and I were talking at length about the Baker compensator with the oil scoop design. I have read in the US of spacing dramas with them Re the chain and sprockets and getting the alignment correct. Stators etc having to be shaved etc etc. That is why I decided to try the SE compensator kit actually

    That's is where I will be going next if this "updated update" of a kit don't work Sunday...Stu has enquired already as to supply logistics

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