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  • Phelics Posts: 66
    Stock Poster Phelics
    09 Jan 2019 09:49 AM
    Quoting paulybronco on 09 Jan 2019 09:09 AM
    And even motorhomes, they were not branded with HD but the company owned Holiday Rambler and later sold it to Monaco Coach Company
    Quoting Phelics on 09 Jan 2019 09:28 AMedited: 09 Jan 2019 09:38 AM
    And these were all failures, right? Or at least, failures to expand the company’s range long term. 
    Quoting paulybronco on 09 Jan 2019 09:45 AM
    Yep a big tear up .....$105million loss or around the full turnover for 12mths
    Well, I dunno much about Harley’s finances. I don’t hold any of its shares either (phew?)

    All I can say is that this would have only appeared on this website on April Fools day. 
  • SONNY D Posts: 395
    brisbane
    Stage 1 Poster SONNY D
    09 Jan 2019 09:54 AM
    that "claimed 180 km " will be in economy mode. so if your doing any sort of spirited riding you can expect to find those figures cut in half. heres a clip from a review of the prototype....at least its an improvement from that !!
    The new bike will presumably build on the somewhat meager performance specs of LiveWire, the prototype electric motorcycle Harley-Davidson rolled out back in 2014. That bike was able to go from 0-60 mph in under four seconds, which was impressive, but it was limited to just 55 miles of range in “economy” mode.
  • Phelics Posts: 66
    Stock Poster Phelics
    09 Jan 2019 10:03 AM
    Basically, as presented, this is an “inner city motorcycle”. That’s fine, but for me, not $45k fine. I don’t understand the pricing logic. 

    I might just have to save up for the HD e-skates when they come out in 2031
  • paulybronco Posts: 10996
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    09 Jan 2019 10:13 AM
    Quoting SONNY D on 09 Jan 2019 09:54 AM
    that "claimed 180 km " will be in economy mode. so if your doing any sort of spirited riding you can expect to find those figures cut in half. heres a clip from a review of the prototype....at least its an improvement from that !!
    The new bike will presumably build on the somewhat meager performance specs of LiveWire, the prototype electric motorcycle Harley-Davidson rolled out back in 2014. That bike was able to go from 0-60 mph in under four seconds, which was impressive, but it was limited to just 55 miles of range in “economy” mode.
    With the size of the battery required to have a farther extended range and the restraints you have of the physical size of a bike will always be a challenge with current bat technology. 
  • Krash Kinkade Posts: 2401
    Motor Head Krash Kinkade
    09 Jan 2019 10:14 AM
    Quoting Far Canal on 08 Jan 2019 08:19 PM
    The $40k for the livewire is expensive. However the first models with anything, eg flat screen tvs, mobile phones or going way back even things like refrigerators and vacuum cleaners were dear until so many have em then the price goes down.
    It would seem that electric vehicles are the future and bearing down on us fast. Same thing will happen with them, price will go down.
    HD will have a challenge on it's hands differentiating it's bikes from any other makes if they are all silent rockets. I guess that goes for all the brands.
    Anyway, when the petrol runs out I'd have an electric bike any day. Hell yeah.
    If the electricity runs out I'd prefer a flaming pushbike to walking.
    Quoting paulybronco on 08 Jan 2019 09:15 PM
    Well done to you for thinking about the fact that one of the most important part of riding is indeed the aural pleasure of hearing an exhaust bark. No matter if its a v10 or a HD its a big part of the experience. How many of us wind the window down if we see a muscle car in the traffic just to hear old school twin pipes? Your 20 yr old kids only know turbo 4 cyl and blow off valves, their kids will only remember electric cars and bikes........fuck were getting old!
    what will become of those old school sticker's ( LOUD PIPES save lives ?? )
    with electric, you don't see it you don't smell it, you don't hear it, but when you feel it it shock's you.
    what no one has ever told me is , how do we dispose of the used batteries? also the type of battery they use, you need to mine to make them.

  • paulybronco Posts: 10996
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    09 Jan 2019 10:24 AM
    Here are some answers...




  • SONNY D Posts: 395
    brisbane
    Stage 1 Poster SONNY D
    11 Jan 2019 02:28 PM
    yeah im not looking forward to it either but unfortunately thats our future. we'll be able to tell our grandkids about the time when Harleys roamed the earth :)
    just on a side note the fastest production motorcycle in the world is an electric motorcycle ( kawasaki H2r doesnt count as its a race only bike ) it also holds the pikes peak record it set in 2013...thats against all comers not just the electric bike brigade. anyhow i found this clip on the bike i thought id post it up its a good watch !! oh and by the way this bike will do ( on current battery technology ) 300 miles or around 480 kms on one charge and will charge to 80% in around 20 mins...enough time to chug down your favourite brew then hit the road again. maybe HD should have a look at how these guys build their bikes...just saying !!



  • Far Canal Posts: 1472
    Performance Poster Far Canal
    11 Jan 2019 06:15 PM
    Enjoyed that clip Sonny.
    What a rocket!.
    $39,000 US.
  • Neale Posts: 356
    Richmond NSW
    Stage 1 Poster Neale
    12 Jan 2019 03:33 PM
    Quoting Far Canal on 11 Jan 2019 06:15 PM
    Enjoyed that clip Sonny.
    What a rocket!.
    $39,000 US.
    Yup, me too!
    If anyone's interested, go to you tube and watch the electric class at the Isle of Man races. There's onboard footage, it's insane how these things spool up.
  • Iron Posts: 280
    South Oz
    Stage 1 Poster Iron
    18 Jan 2019 09:10 AM



  • paulybronco Posts: 10996
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    01 Feb 2019 09:05 AM
    To put even more light on the ridiculous price that they hope to get for a livewire ,Lightning Motorcycles , whos bike hit 350kph, is bringing out a 241kph , 240klm range bike for Aust $18000, can be fully charged in 35 min
  • Scouser Posts: 1873
    Marion, South Australia
    Motor Head Scouser
    01 Feb 2019 11:41 AM
    Quoting paulybronco on 01 Feb 2019 09:05 AM
    To put even more light on the ridiculous price that they hope to get for a livewire ,Lightning Motorcycles , whos bike hit 350kph, is bringing out a 241kph , 240klm range bike for Aust $18000, can be fully charged in 35 min
    I believe this is where Harley have missed the boat.
    For years they have gotten away with selling an inferior bike on the name alone.
    Lets be honest its the name that sells it.
    Other bikes are better value for money.

    The new buyers are after quality and value for money, new Harleys do not fit that brief.

    I doubt they will sell many of the electric bikes at that price as the Harley faithful who buy because of the name want a combustion engine and again you can buy better and cheaper
  • Soapbox2627 Posts: 3230
    Whyalla South Australia
    Forum Legend Soapbox2627
    01 Feb 2019 01:11 PM
    I agree with the "won't sell" because of the price
    but look at the electric bike and a solar panel for going to work, I live 3.3Km away, ride in and out each day for the life of the bike (rego and reg maintenance) with not having to buy fuel, 6.6Km 14 days a month, I would say I will never need to plug it into the wall

    still to expensive even with those savings
  • Timmy Posts: 23
    Stock Poster Timmy
    03 Feb 2019 03:47 PM
    Yeah if the Livewire was in the range of $20000 I think it would be a huge hit.

    Its funny, when the Street 500 was about to come out everyone was saying what a flop it would be, what a waste of time, what was HD thinking?!?!?!.  Well didnt it prove everyone wrong here in Australia with huge sales. Even when the Apple iPad came out people said the same thing and its sales have been a great success.  The Livewire could do the same thing if it were much cheaper, but 40k really is out of most peoples reach... certainly mine.

  • paulybronco Posts: 10996
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    03 Feb 2019 06:35 PM
    Quoting Timmy on 03 Feb 2019 03:47 PM
    Yeah if the Livewire was in the range of $20000 I think it would be a huge hit.

    Its funny, when the Street 500 was about to come out everyone was saying what a flop it would be, what a waste of time, what was HD thinking?!?!?!.  Well didnt it prove everyone wrong here in Australia with huge sales. Even when the Apple iPad came out people said the same thing and its sales have been a great success.  The Livewire could do the same thing if it were much cheaper, but 40k really is out of most peoples reach... certainly mine.

    Some good points Timmy. If you think carefully about it some prestige brands have "cheapened" their brand by introducing entry level vehicles to capture badge snobs, Mercedes, Bmw to name a few. 40k is in my reach but i have absolutely no urge to buy a livewire.
  • paulybronco Posts: 10996
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    01 Mar 2019 06:57 PM
    Wonder if this costs 40k?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u7VqXw7pfU



  • Far Canal Posts: 1472
    Performance Poster Far Canal
    01 Mar 2019 08:01 PM
    Who cares how much that thing costs.
    I don't want one. Too many friggin buttons, a cross between a vespa and a laptop. No way Jose'.
  • paulybronco Posts: 10996
    Forum Legend paulybronco
    01 Mar 2019 10:23 PM
    Quoting Far Canal on 01 Mar 2019 08:01 PM
    Who cares how much that thing costs.
    I don't want one. Too many friggin buttons, a cross between a vespa and a laptop. No way Jose'.
    LOL Sadly this is the future even if you and i cant cope with it
  • Soapbox2627 Posts: 3230
    Whyalla South Australia
    Forum Legend Soapbox2627
    01 Mar 2019 10:29 PM
    Quoting Far Canal on 01 Mar 2019 08:01 PM
    Who cares how much that thing costs.
    I don't want one. Too many friggin buttons, a cross between a vespa and a laptop. No way Jose'.
    Quoting paulybronco on 01 Mar 2019 10:23 PM
    LOL Sadly this is the future even if you and i cant cope with it
    My Road Glide has all those buttons, not that configuration but all there
  • Ratbob Posts: 699
    Adelaide Hills
    Performance Poster Ratbob
    02 Mar 2019 05:12 AM
    Man I'm feeling old, I don't understand this 'connected generation', there's enough shit going on in my head now.
    Surely a joy of riding is the isolation, being as one with the bike, maybe getting scared cause you pushed too hard through a corner,
    not cause you just missed a lamp post from looking at some dum ass screen.
    I guess that's why BMW showcase this technology on a boring utilitarian vehicle, no one's gonna buy that thing because they enjoy riding.

    Please don't tell me that shit's on a Livewire.
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