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  • Phelics
    Phelics
    5 years ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 08 Jan 2019 10:09 PM

    And even motorhomes, they were not branded with HD but the company owned Holiday Rambler and later sold it to Monaco Coach Company

    Quoting Phelics on 08 Jan 2019 10:28 PMedited: 08 Jan 2019 10:38 PM

    And these were all failures, right? Or at least, failures to expand the company’s range long term. 

    Quoting paulybronco on 08 Jan 2019 10:45 PM

    Yep a big tear up .....$105million loss or around the full turnover for 12mths

    Well, I dunno much about Harley’s finances. I don’t hold any of its shares either (phew?)
    All I can say is that this would have only appeared on this website on April Fools day. 
  • Phelics
    Phelics
    5 years ago
    Basically, as presented, this is an “inner city motorcycle”. That’s fine, but for me, not $45k fine. I don’t understand the pricing logic. 
    I might just have to save up for the HD e-skates when they come out in 2031
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    With the size of the battery required to have a farther extended range and the restraints you have of the physical size of a bike will always be a challenge with current bat technology. 
  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    5 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 08 Jan 2019 09:19 AM

    The $40k for the livewire is expensive. However the first models with anything, eg flat screen tvs, mobile phones or going way back even things like refrigerators and vacuum cleaners were dear until so many have em then the price goes down.
    It would seem that electric vehicles are the future and bearing down on us fast. Same thing will happen with them, price will go down.
    HD will have a challenge on it's hands differentiating it's bikes from any other makes if they are all silent rockets. I guess that goes for all the brands.
    Anyway, when the petrol runs out I'd have an electric bike any day. Hell yeah.
    If the electricity runs out I'd prefer a flaming pushbike to walking.

    Quoting paulybronco on 08 Jan 2019 10:15 AM

    Well done to you for thinking about the fact that one of the most important part of riding is indeed the aural pleasure of hearing an exhaust bark. No matter if its a v10 or a HD its a big part of the experience. How many of us wind the window down if we see a muscle car in the traffic just to hear old school twin pipes? Your 20 yr old kids only know turbo 4 cyl and blow off valves, their kids will only remember electric cars and bikes........fuck were getting old!

    what will become of those old school sticker's ( LOUD PIPES save lives ?? )
    with electric, you don't see it you don't smell it, you don't hear it, but when you feel it it shock's you.
    what no one has ever told me is , how do we dispose of the used batteries? also the type of battery they use, you need to mine to make them.

  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Here are some answers...



  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    5 years ago
    Enjoyed that clip Sonny.
    What a rocket!.
    $39,000 US.
  • Neale
    Neale
    5 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 11 Jan 2019 07:15 AM

    Enjoyed that clip Sonny.
    What a rocket!.
    $39,000 US.

    Yup, me too!
    If anyone's interested, go to you tube and watch the electric class at the Isle of Man races. There's onboard footage, it's insane how these things spool up.
  • Iron
    Iron
    5 years ago



  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    To put even more light on the ridiculous price that they hope to get for a livewire ,Lightning Motorcycles , whos bike hit 350kph, is bringing out a 241kph , 240klm range bike for Aust $18000, can be fully charged in 35 min
  • Soapbox2627
    Soapbox2627
    5 years ago
    I agree with the "won't sell" because of the price
    but look at the electric bike and a solar panel for going to work, I live 3.3Km away, ride in and out each day for the life of the bike (rego and reg maintenance) with not having to buy fuel, 6.6Km 14 days a month, I would say I will never need to plug it into the wall

    still to expensive even with those savings
  • Timmy
    Timmy
    5 years ago
    Yeah if the Livewire was in the range of $20000 I think it would be a huge hit.

    Its funny, when the Street 500 was about to come out everyone was saying what a flop it would be, what a waste of time, what was HD thinking?!?!?!.  Well didnt it prove everyone wrong here in Australia with huge sales. Even when the Apple iPad came out people said the same thing and its sales have been a great success.  The Livewire could do the same thing if it were much cheaper, but 40k really is out of most peoples reach... certainly mine.

  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Timmy on 03 Feb 2019 04:47 AM

    Yeah if the Livewire was in the range of $20000 I think it would be a huge hit.

    Its funny, when the Street 500 was about to come out everyone was saying what a flop it would be, what a waste of time, what was HD thinking?!?!?!.  Well didnt it prove everyone wrong here in Australia with huge sales. Even when the Apple iPad came out people said the same thing and its sales have been a great success.  The Livewire could do the same thing if it were much cheaper, but 40k really is out of most peoples reach... certainly mine.

    Some good points Timmy. If you think carefully about it some prestige brands have "cheapened" their brand by introducing entry level vehicles to capture badge snobs, Mercedes, Bmw to name a few. 40k is in my reach but i have absolutely no urge to buy a livewire.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Wonder if this costs 40k?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u7VqXw7pfU



  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    5 years ago
    Who cares how much that thing costs.
    I don't want one. Too many friggin buttons, a cross between a vespa and a laptop. No way Jose'.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 01 Mar 2019 09:01 AM

    Who cares how much that thing costs.
    I don't want one. Too many friggin buttons, a cross between a vespa and a laptop. No way Jose'.

    LOL Sadly this is the future even if you and i cant cope with it
  • Soapbox2627
    Soapbox2627
    5 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 01 Mar 2019 09:01 AM

    Who cares how much that thing costs.
    I don't want one. Too many friggin buttons, a cross between a vespa and a laptop. No way Jose'.

    Quoting paulybronco on 01 Mar 2019 11:23 AM

    LOL Sadly this is the future even if you and i cant cope with it

    My Road Glide has all those buttons, not that configuration but all there
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    5 years ago
    Man I'm feeling old, I don't understand this 'connected generation', there's enough shit going on in my head now.
    Surely a joy of riding is the isolation, being as one with the bike, maybe getting scared cause you pushed too hard through a corner,
    not cause you just missed a lamp post from looking at some dum ass screen.
    I guess that's why BMW showcase this technology on a boring utilitarian vehicle, no one's gonna buy that thing because they enjoy riding.

    Please don't tell me that shit's on a Livewire.
  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    5 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 01 Mar 2019 09:01 AM

    Who cares how much that thing costs.
    I don't want one. Too many friggin buttons, a cross between a vespa and a laptop. No way Jose'.

    Quoting paulybronco on 01 Mar 2019 11:23 AM

    LOL Sadly this is the future even if you and i cant cope with it

    Quoting Soapbox2627 on 01 Mar 2019 11:29 AM

    My Road Glide has all those buttons, not that configuration but all there

    Have you worked out how to use all the buttons soapy?.
    Was talking to an older bloke who just loves his newish road glide, cept he did not know how to use a good deal of the buttons and did not want to.
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    5 years ago
    I'm getting old and gonna need organs replaced soon (liver at a minimum due I recon), so the more they can do to encourage this organ donor movement the better.  
  • Geoff3DMN
    Geoff3DMN
    5 years ago
    Quoting Timmy on 03 Feb 2019 04:47 AM

    Yeah if the Livewire was in the range of $20000 I think it would be a huge hit.

    Its funny, when the Street 500 was about to come out everyone was saying what a flop it would be, what a waste of time, what was HD thinking?!?!?!.  Well didnt it prove everyone wrong here in Australia with huge sales. Even when the Apple iPad came out people said the same thing and its sales have been a great success.  The Livewire could do the same thing if it were much cheaper, but 40k really is out of most peoples reach... certainly mine.

    Quoting paulybronco on 03 Feb 2019 07:35 AM

    Some good points Timmy. If you think carefully about it some prestige brands have "cheapened" their brand by introducing entry level vehicles to capture badge snobs, Mercedes, Bmw to name a few. 40k is in my reach but i have absolutely no urge to buy a livewire.


    I hear comments like this about prestige brands being "cheapened" by entry level vehicles and I just don't agree.  In the 1990s sure, people in a Mercedes wanted to feel superior to the plebs and didn't like a pleb have an A series but these days... I don't think it really applies (at least to the younger Gen X and Millenials and that's increasingly where sales are coming from for those brands).

    You only have to look at how Mercedes A range has evolved, from a very uncool tall 2nd mums car to a sporty low slung sports hatch to see how things have changed and smaller cars in the ranges aren't seen just as 'cheap entry level' vehicles anymore.


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